Ann Crowley

[BajaBabe]

Well half of you didn't vote in clt so you got her again- no regrets now.

 

[safety stud]

OMG, Where do I begin...

This election proves to me that my base has no clue what so ever of what they do.... None.... Just a blank stare.... Deer in the headlights....

Whether you are based in CLT or not, 99.9% of you that post on this board have always talked about wanting change. Wanting to make a difference in the way you see your union working. This was your golden opportunity... This was your chance to finally make your words into actions... And what did you do.... NOTHING... You elected the same people into office... The same... No changes... NONE...

What is wrong with you... Do you not have a mind, a voice, a need to make things right.... Did Ann do everything you wanted her to do for you during her last term? Did she voice your ideals at all of the BOD meetings? Did she vote the way you wanted her to? Because if she did, then those of you that post on this board that yelled about change where just spouting off hot air... Your words mean nothing...Your actions speak for themselves...

You must think, or worst yet, you might not be able to think about anything but status quo... This company, this union, and this job have made your minds numb to everything. I feel very sorry for us... I feel sad to the fact, that you all put blinders on, not wanting to do anything that might ruffle the feathers of those who are supposed to represent us.

Of course, I also predicted this would happen.... When Ann went to AFA International and got the postmark date changed... She set in motion her simple plan of putting herself, her other officers, and committee members in your eyes with a vengance. Just how many CLT elines did we recieve from her and her cronies over the last 3 or 4 weeks? Way to many... Why all of the sudden was it so important that we hear from her 3 or 4 times a week.... Did she have that much to say... Not really... She just used her office to put her name out there... A very unfair advantage to the others running, who could only use a mail file in the crew lounge... Blinders.... Did you not see that?

Like I said, the only advantage to extending the postmark was to the incumbants running... And sure enough... look what happened...

For those that voted for ANN, congrats, you got what you wanted...
For those that didn't... Don't worry... At the first meeting I go to, I will make a motion that paper balllots be eliminated for all local elections...
No postmark, no problem...

Just my opinion...

 

[NAPAUS]

Ann CONGRATS!! Moderator this should not turn into a personal attack on anyone, please monitor.

 

[SparrowHawk]

For the record I don't know Ann.

I think this could be an interesting thread. So we don't make this personal let's refer to Ann as the "Incumbent".

EVERY union thread I have ever read is filled with venom and rancor for whomever is currently in power. This is somewhat human nature that there is at least envy of the Incumbent.

Today, Unions are much like the Federal Governement, bloated, ineffective and inefficient and unable or unwilling to hear the voice of the common citizen. Now we have the "Tea Party Movement" out in the real world. I'm not prepared to debate the merits of their views but rather to point out that there is a lesson in their movement that union members should take note of.

Take a look at what the Obama Administration is doing directly and indirectly to discredit the movement. Yet it continues to grow despite their best efforts. Do the tea partiers have a majority point of view? I'd say more like 10% and here is why that's important. In a national election. 10% decides the election!

This is the lesson for organized labor. Want the reserve issues addressed? One Quarter of the reserves rise up as "Tea partiers" within the AFA and maybe MF & AC will begin to pay attention to issues that affect all Flight Attendants not just the ones with 387 years seniority.

The message needs to be yelled out loud and clear. It's our Union, The union is the people not the officers. If the officers don't represent the majority viewpoint to management, the the "AFA Tea partiers" need to speak out until they are heard.

The Obama Administration is crappping in their pants as the Tea party movement is reaching a size that could cost his party the House, Senate and eventually the White House in 2012. Somebody needs to rise up and challenge the AFA business as usual folks and take back the union and put it on solid ground

 

[beachboy]

For the record I don't know Ann.

I think this could be an interesting thread. So we don't make this personal let's refer to Ann as the "Incumbent".

EVERY union thread I have ever read is filled with venom and rancor for whomever is currently in power. This is somewhat human nature that there is at least envy of the Incumbent.

Today, Unions are much like the Federal Governement, bloated, ineffective and inefficient and unable or unwilling to hear the voice of the common citizen. Now we have the "Tea Party Movement" out in the real world. I'm not prepared to debate the merits of their views but rather to point out that there is a lesson in their movement that union members should take note of.

Take a look at what the Obama Administration is doing directly and indirectly to discredit the movement. Yet it continues to grow despite their best efforts. Do the tea partiers have a majority point of view? I'd say more like 10% and here is why that's important. In a national election. 10% decides the election!

This is the lesson for organized labor. Want the reserve issues addressed? One Quarter of the reserves rise up as "Tea partiers" within the AFA and maybe MF & AC will begin to pay attention to issues that affect all Flight Attendants not just the ones with 387 years seniority.

The message needs to be yelled out loud and clear. It's our Union, The union is the people not the officers. If the officers don't represent the majority viewpoint to management, the the "AFA Tea partiers" need to speak out until they are heard.

The Obama Administration is crappping in their pants as the Tea party movement is reaching a size that could cost his party the House, Senate and eventually the White House in 2012. Somebody needs to rise up and challenge the AFA business as usual folks and take back the union and put it on solid ground

No one cares. The CLT F/As voted. Wait- half voted. A little less than 1/5 of the base expressed support for her. She is a leech. Sucking and sucking. She serves you well. I fly extra with you CLT gals....well don't DARE say a word about AFA bitching. I will tear you a new one.

 

[SparrowHawk]

No one cares. The CLT F/As voted. Wait- half voted. A little less than 1/5 of the base expressed support for her. She is a leech. Sucking and sucking. She serves you well. I fly extra with you CLT gals....well don't DARE say a word about AFA bitching. I will tear you a new one.

Well if only 1/5th of the base voted in favor of a particular candidate and of the base half didn't bother to vote then it tell me a few things.

One the By-Laws of the AFA are flawed as there should have been a run off between the top two vote getters

Two, if only half voted then the Union frankly is irrevelent which is a far bigger problem.

 

[flightattend21]

For the record I don't know Ann.

I think this could be an interesting thread. So we don't make this personal let's refer to Ann as the "Incumbent".

EVERY union thread I have ever read is filled with venom and rancor for whomever is currently in power. This is somewhat human nature that there is at least envy of the Incumbent.

Today, Unions are much like the Federal Governement, bloated, ineffective and inefficient and unable or unwilling to hear the voice of the common citizen. Now we have the "Tea Party Movement" out in the real world. I'm not prepared to debate the merits of their views but rather to point out that there is a lesson in their movement that union members should take note of.

Take a look at what the Obama Administration is doing directly and indirectly to discredit the movement. Yet it continues to grow despite their best efforts. Do the tea partiers have a majority point of view? I'd say more like 10% and here is why that's important. In a national election. 10% decides the election!

This is the lesson for organized labor. Want the reserve issues addressed? One Quarter of the reserves rise up as "Tea partiers" within the AFA and maybe MF & AC will begin to pay attention to issues that affect all Flight Attendants not just the ones with 387 years seniority.

The message needs to be yelled out loud and clear. It's our Union, The union is the people not the officers. If the officers don't represent the majority viewpoint to management, the the "AFA Tea partiers" need to speak out until they are heard.

The Obama Administration is crappping in their pants as the Tea party movement is reaching a size that could cost his party the House, Senate and eventually the White House in 2012. Somebody needs to rise up and challenge the AFA business as usual folks and take back the union and put it on solid ground

all I can say is Well said. If it is ok with you i would quote you in other union forms (phl) comes to mind

 

[Career Reserve]

all I can say is Well said. If it is ok with you i would quote you in other union forms (phl) comes to mind

Can anyone tell us what the total # of f/a that voted vs how many are in the base? what was the final count for each candidate that ran for President, VP & Sec. ? CLT AFA site does not state the final voting results except who won.

 

[SparrowHawk]

all I can say is Well said. If it is ok with you i would quote you in other union forms (phl) comes to mind

You may quote as you see fit.

 

[Career Reserve]

Well if only 1/5th of the base voted in favor of a particular candidate and of the base half didn't bother to vote then it tell me a few things.

One the By-Laws of the AFA are flawed as there should have been a run off between the top two vote getters

Two, if only half voted then the Union frankly is irrevelent which is a far bigger problem.

I think most CLT f/a's are apathetic. As long as their base stays open and the paychecks continue they really don't care, nor do they believe that their union can make a difference. Allow a dog to get beat enough then it won't fight back. Word has it the CLT incumbant didn't stand up for the f/a's. Took whatever the company said. No fight left in her. And if what has been said about the lack of representation down there is true, well then I can't blame them. Beside BOSTON, non of the other bases that are left give a rip about the avg. f/a. Only time DCA spoke up was when it adverely affected the DCA base w/ displacements. Did he ever speak up for LGA or BOS or even PIT when they were given the AX? NOPE. How about PHL? That President collects 105 INTERNATIONAL PAY and he is not even grandfathered in to that option. Good ol Cindy Simone said it is ok so he gets it. Why hasn't the folks in Philly spoken up about that? Apathy there too? Maybe. And so we're back to CLT election results......
In AFA, the dues went up and the representation by the presidents (left) on east side down. Just my observation and humble opinion. That is why I was curious at to the #'s for CLT.

 

[flybynite]

I think most CLT f/a's are apathetic. As long as their base stays open and the paychecks continue they really don't care, nor do they believe that their union can make a difference. Allow a dog to get beat enough then it won't fight back. Word has it the CLT incumbant didn't stand up for the f/a's. Took whatever the company said. No fight left in her. And if what has been said about the lack of representation down there is true, well then I can't blame them. Beside BOSTON, non of the other bases that are left give a rip about the avg. f/a. Only time DCA spoke up was when it adverely affected the DCA base w/ displacements. Did he ever speak up for LGA or BOS or even PIT when they were given the AX? NOPE. How about PHL? That President collects 105 INTERNATIONAL PAY and he is not even grandfathered in to that option. Good ol Cindy Simone said it is ok so he gets it. Why hasn't the folks in Philly spoken up about that? Apathy there too? Maybe. And so we're back to CLT election results......
In AFA, the dues went up and the representation by the presidents (left) on east side down. Just my observation and humble opinion. That is why I was curious at to the #'s for CLT.

Most CLT F/A's apathetic?

Well, little darling, we have bounced our fair share of lousy reps. And we will do it when our LEC is ineffective...which it is not. Our LEC work thier asses off.

I don't know who you're talking to but maybe you should look to your own reps in your base before pointing fingers.

 

[flybynite]

............AGAIN????................How many YEARS does that make, Terri? You value your longevity, but no one else's? An election is just that. People had the opportiunity to vote, and they voted.

DEAL WITH IT.

What I don't get is Teri poking her nose in another base's LEC election business...

Get a life Teri....and mind your own business.....

 

[Career Reserve]

Most CLT F/A's apathetic?

Well, little darling, we have bounced our fair share of lousy reps. And we will do it when our LEC is ineffective...which it is not. Our LEC work thier asses off.

I don't know who you're talking to but maybe you should look to your own reps in your base before pointing fingers.

Never mentioned reps in my post, I addressed the president in remaining 3 bases. Any flt attendant has a right to question the leadership representing the f/a's at their company...what one president does in a base as large as CLT or PHL will affect the other bases. And yes I am a darling B).

 

[BajaBabe]

Oh honey it is my business when my council has to take all her phone calls becuase she won't aswer her memebers and it is my business when clt is voting me in a crappy contract because they simply don't care. Most of you do not even know what I shared with Ann, she was someone that I truly cared for in the past. like many in AFA they come policital and loose focus on what the game is about. As far as sticking my nose into Charlotte it comes from my interaction with Flight Attendants from her base. Do not tell me what I can say or not say, This is a free world and during my ordeal the voices were silent which includes Ann. The results are well known to all of you. If you see me you ask what I stand for for but instead berate my senority. Now you all moan and groan that incumabnts won because CLT was lazy. BAAAAAA BHAAAAAA little sheep.

 

[SKY HIGH]

and it is my business when clt is voting me in a crappy contract because...........

That CRAPPY contract is the result of CRAPPY negotiations. Now, who's fault is that????????????