Anti-vaccine idiocy

[777 fixer]

It's wrap your head around the fact that parents will risk the health and even the lives of their children over a belief that is not true.  Growing up you couldn't step foot in a school unless you were vaccinated.  Now it would appear some parents are using religious exemptions to keep their kids from having to get their kids vaccinated for school.  Makes you wonder. 
 
http://online.wsj.com/articles/paul-a-offit-the-anti-vaccination-epidemic-1411598408

 

[delldude]

Little things like autism and shingles come to mind.
 
And government used to 'get over' with this issue.
 
Is there a constitutional requirement?
 
http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/ethical-issues-and-vaccines

 

[jimntx]

There is no scientifically established link between vaccination and autism.  That whole movement comes out of a tree-hugger from California who also believes that if you don't eat it raw straight out of the ground, dirt and all, it's poison.  Besides, it's just an excuse used by parents of autistic children to make sure they are not "blamed" for their child's illness.  After all, in today's world, nothing bad that happens can ever be my fault.  Right?
 
And, shingles is definitely not caused by vaccination.  It is caused by the presence of chicken pox vira in your body which can be prevented with vaccination against chicken pox.  Unfortunately, my chicken pox came right after the last Ice Age before there was a vaccine.  So, I had to have the shingles vaccine.  My mother had shingles in later life.  i ain't suffering because some idiot has a war on against the medical profession just because they did not support her belief that a diet of snake milk and dried bee's testicles would cure cancer.

 

[delldude]

There is no scientifically established link between vaccination and autism.  That whole movement comes out of a tree-hugger from California who also believes that if you don't eat it raw straight out of the ground, dirt and all, it's poison.  Besides, it's just an excuse used by parents of autistic children to make sure they are not "blamed" for their child's illness.  After all, in today's world, nothing bad that happens can ever be my fault.  Right?
 
And, shingles is definitely not caused by vaccination.  It is caused by the presence of chicken pox vira in your body which can be prevented with vaccination against chicken pox.  Unfortunately, my chicken pox came right after the last Ice Age before there was a vaccine.  So, I had to have the shingles vaccine.  My mother had shingles in later life.  i ain't suffering because some idiot has a war on against the medical profession just because they did not support her belief that a diet of snake milk and dried bee's testicles would cure cancer.

 
CDC website:
 

Other safety information

• Chickenpox vaccines contain weakened live VZV, which may cause latent (dormant) infection. The vaccine-strain VZV can reactivate later in life and cause shingles. However, the risk of getting shingles from vaccine-strain VZV after chickenpox vaccination is much lower than getting shingles after natural infection with wild-type VZV. For more information about how natural infection with wild-type VZV causes shingles, see Shingles Overview. Lab testing is needed to determine if a person got shingles from vaccine-strain VZV or from wild-type VZV.

 

[jimntx]

Can reactivate, not will reactivate.  According to the anti-vaccine crowd, it's guaranteed to reactivate, cause shingles, drive you into bankruptcy and kill your dog.

 

[Ms Tree]

A friend of my dad has shingles. She said it is beyond painful. Would gladly take the vaccine had she know a out it. No idea why she did not know.

 

[777 fixer]

Little things like autism and shingles come to mind.
 
And government used to 'get over' with this issue.
 
Is there a constitutional requirement?
 
http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/ethical-issues-and-vaccines

 
There in lies the problem.  There are people who believe that even though there is absolutely no scientific evidence that vaccines cause autism.  Plenty of evidence that they prevent disease though.  
 
The first signs of autism appear at an age when kids are still getting vaccinated.  Some parents view that somehow view that as a link.  When they were growing up no one heard of autism and all of a sudden everyone is talking about it.  Autism has always been around.  The difference is people today know what it is.  When we were growing up the kid with Autism was just the real weird kid down the street.

 

[777 fixer]

A friend of my dad has shingles. She said it is beyond painful. Would gladly take the vaccine had she know a out it. No idea why she did not know.

 
That's another thing.  You would never hear any of that anti-vaccine talk coming from our parents generation.  That's because they grew up in a time when things like measles and polio crippled and killed children.  Today's parents have no memory of that.

 

[Ms Tree]

There  is a whole lot of conspiracy BS out there.  Not all medicine is good.  Too many people rely in a pill to fix all their problems.  How ever not all medicine is bad either.  People just do not do their due diligence.  

 

[delldude]

Can reactivate, not will reactivate.  According to the anti-vaccine crowd, it's guaranteed to reactivate, cause shingles, drive you into bankruptcy and kill your dog.

 
Your words Jim:
 
And, shingles is definitely not caused by vaccination.

 

[delldude]

 
There in lies the problem.  There are people who believe that even though there is absolutely no scientific evidence that vaccines cause autism.  Plenty of evidence that they prevent disease though.  
 
The first signs of autism appear at an age when kids are still getting vaccinated.  Some parents view that somehow view that as a link.  When they were growing up no one heard of autism and all of a sudden everyone is talking about it.  Autism has always been around.  The difference is people today know what it is.  When we were growing up the kid with Autism was just the real weird kid down the street.

 
You lived down the street from me?  

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

I know some here cannot or will not accept statistics, but here you are anyway:

http://www.npr.org/2014/10/08/354639707/u-s-life-expectancy-continues-to-tick-upward

"SIEGEL: And for people who, say, are now 65 years of age, what on average would their expectancy be? How many more years should they count on on average?

ARIAS: On average, for 2012, that would be 19.3 years.

SIEGEL: Were you folks at the CDC generally cheered by these numbers? I mean, I assume if they'd gone in the other direction it would be a horrible report you put out.

ARIAS: Well, I'm always - and I know that my colleagues are always impressed by the fact that in just 112 years, we have seen an increase in life expectancy for females of 32.9 years and for males of 30.1 year. So in just 112 years, we've seen an astonishing increase in life expectancy in the United States.

SIEGEL: Elizabeth Arias is a statistician with the National Center for Health Statistics, and she was talking with us about the new government numbers which show a record increase in life expectancy. Thanks for talking with us."

I am quite sure that scientific advances in medicine are what has driven much of this rise. That would include vaccinations, medications, and knowledge.

 

[ChockJockey]

If it's useful to and compatible with their existing worldview then people will believe something even if shown plain evidence of it being false.  Vaccines cause autism.  Abortions cause breast cancer.  Masturbation causes blindness. 
 
Of course, it is silly to expect people who lack scientific literacy to be able to examine scientific evidence in the first place.

 

[Ms Tree]

Not sure about blindness but my hands were a bit hairy. Not sure if that is direct causation.

 

[ChockJockey]

Not sure about blindness but my hands were a bit hairy. Not sure if that is direct causation.

 
Some hair on the back of the hands is normal for primates, hair on the palms is quite abnormal.