Anti-vaccine idiocy

[777 fixer]

 
I couldn't register a smallpox reaction. You had to have that to get into school then. A lot of memories of my parents running around in circles over that.  Finally after 3 or 4 trys, it took.

 
By the time I was that age they were no longer giving smallpox vaccinations.  Both my mom and dad have the tell tale smallpox vaccination scar though.

 

[777 fixer]

 
 
The issue IMO is a simple one
Government does not have the right to order you to take medicine/vaccines. Even armed with a mountain of scientific data supporting their usage except under very narrow circumstances.

 
State governments already do so in a way.  All fifty states require children to have certain vaccinations before entering school.

 

[777 fixer]

Religious exemptions? What about that idiot Jenny McCarthy that subscribes to the crap that her son's autism was from a measles vaccine? Oh but as long as religion comes to mind...

 
Relax.  I'm aware of Jenny McCarthy and her unsupported statements.  Using her logic I could say that a child that is not autistic is that way because he/she was vaccinated.  Absolutely nothing to support that statement.  Just like her claims.

 

[delldude]

 
By the time I was that age they were no longer giving smallpox vaccinations.  Both my mom and dad have the tell tale smallpox vaccination scar though.

 
I remember my parents concern. Even the doctors were up against the wall. They never had that happen...LOL...I took 3 maybe 4 of those tests and I think on the last one they kinda 'claimed' I passed. I have no smallpox scar to this day.

 

[SparrowHawk]

 
Relax.  I'm aware of Jenny McCarthy and her unsupported statements.  Using her logic I could say that a child that is not autistic is that way because he/she was vaccinated.  Absolutely nothing to support that statement.  Just like her claims.

 
There is some "Connect the dots" type evidence out there regarding vaccine safety so I don't totally poo poo it. Big Pharma and the fact that the FDA is currently run by an insider formerly with Monsanto raises some serious question of the Crony Capitalist variety.

 

[signals]

So why is autism more prevalent today than in the past? Has something been added to vaccines that would support the anti-vaccine crowd's arguments?

I would guess that if there is an external cause to autism, it would be the environment.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

So why is autism more prevalent today than in the past? Has something been added to vaccines that would support the anti-vaccine crowd's arguments?I would guess that if there is an external cause to autism, it would be the environment.

I would venture to say it is that more people are getting diagnosed, instead of being that weird kid down the street. Greater access to health care and better trained medical professionals may also have an impact.

I also think that today, we have a name and diagnosis for everything. Do you remember when people used to die of "natural causes"? Now it seems that every ailment has some name.

 

[777 fixer]

I would venture to say it is that more people are getting diagnosed, instead of being that weird kid down the street. Greater access to health care and better trained medical professionals may also have an impact.

 
Also I think people are more open about it.  Back in the day children with that sort of condition would have been kept hush hush by the family or even institutionalized.  

 

[777 fixer]

Never had any of the childhood ailments.  Worst I had were bad colds.  Never had measles or pox.  Scares the crap out of me now as an adult.

 
At your age chicken pox could be rather dangerous.  

 

[Justme]

There seems to be two kinds of people in this world. There are those who question what they are told and those who accept what they are told.
 
As we in this industry have seen demonstrated in accident after accident over the past 50 years, the results of not questioning the reliability of data used to form an assessment of a situation can lead to dismal outcomes.
 
in the forming of a world view, things really boils down to this one question:  Is it possible that our assessment is based on intentionally created deception designed with very specific outcomes in mind.
 
That is the root question. 
 
Would anyone disagree with me in that an intelligent, rational person should challenge everything?  
 
If you are of the belief that those who do so are suffering from a mental disorder, then so be it. I tend to agree with Ray Bradbury's line which asserts that trying to convince a person who is unwilling to listen is a futile effort.  
 
“But you can't make people listen. They have to come round in their own time, wondering what happened and why the world blew up around them. It can't last.” 
― Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
 
We all decide for ourselves the degree to which we accept what we are told.  
 
What was the cost to the men who trusted the Public Health Service when being used as human guinea pigs in a study of untreated syphilis?  
The CDC states that, "the men had been misled and had not been given all the facts required to provide informed consent."
 
From the CDC website:
 
The Study Begins
In 1932, the Public Health Service, working with the Tuskegee Institute, began a study to record the natural history of syphilis in hopes of justifying treatment programs for blacks.  It was called the "Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male."
 
The study initially involved 600 black men – 399 with syphilis, 201 who did not have the disease.  The study was conducted without the benefit of patients' informed consent.  Researchers told the men they were being treated for "bad blood," a local term used to describe several ailments, including syphilis, anemia, and fatigue.  In truth, they did not receive the proper treatment needed to cure their illness. In exchange for taking part in the study, the men received free medical exams, free meals, and burial insurance.  Although originally projected to last 6 months, the study actually went on for 40 years.
What Went Wrong?
In July 1972, an Associated Press story about the Tuskegee Study caused a public outcry that led the Assistant Secretary for Health and Scientific Affairs to appoint an Ad Hoc Advisory Panel to review the study.  The panel had nine members from the fields of medicine, law, religion, labor, education, health administration, and public affairs.
The panel found that the men had agreed freely to be examined and treated.  However, there was no evidence that researchers had informed them of the study or its real purpose.  In fact, the men had been misled and had not been given all the facts required to provide informed consent.
The men were never given adequate treatment for their disease.  Even when penicillin became the drug of choice for syphilis in 1947, researchers did not offer it to the subjects.  The advisory panel found nothing to show that subjects were ever given the choice of quitting the study, even when this new, highly effective treatment became widely used.
 
What sort of voices would a critic of this study have been met with in 1940?  1950? 1960?
 
So no attempt here to convince anyone of anything except for the need to examine and evaluate what we are being told..
 
You do realize that you are being told what to think, right?

 

[SparrowHawk]

 
 
You do realize that you are being told what to think, right?

 
YES and I think your point is excellent.
 
Q:How does the Government say "F*#K You"
A: Trust US
 
I have no earthly idea what cause what to whom or why.
 
What I DO know is that it's damned funny that we have an "Ebola Crisis" right around the time we get an announcement that a vaccine is near.
 
Ron Paul may be wrong about everything except his quote, "Truth is Treason in the Empire of Lies". That, he nailed

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

What I DO know is that it's damned funny that we have an "Ebola Crisis" right around the time we get an announcement that a vaccine is near.
 

Oh good grief. Really?

Time to double the foil hat.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Oh good grief. Really?

Time to double the foil hat.

 
Well I'd like to think I had a tin foil hat on this one as lives are at stake. The REAL point is that more and more people distrust Large Corporations and the Government that protects them. There is a tipping point and we aren't to close to it but we're headed there. When enough people no longer trust media or their government then it's game over. What percentage of the population that is I don't know except that the portion that no longer trust is growing.
 
When Tyranny becomes law, Resistance is duty.
 
That's what leads some (me) to seriously ponder a retirement in a place like Ecuador or Costa Rica. Since we're headed towards being a third world dictatorship, why not live in one that's less expensive?

 

[jimntx]

You wouldn't like Costa Rica.  First off, it is a democracy, not a third world dictatorship.  Costa Rica has cradle to the grave medical benefits.  They have a lower infant mortality rate than the U.S., a longer life expectancy, and universal education.  How can they afford all that?  They are the one nation in the Western Hemisphere that does not have a standing army.  They abolished it back the late 1940's.

 

[777 fixer]

You do realize that you are being told what to think, right?

 
Do you have children?  If so are they vaccinated?  If they are then I guess you're being told what to think.  If they are not then you decided to listen to the anti-vaccine crowd.  Either way you are being told what to think.