April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Metroyet]

What's funny about this is USAPA attorneys are happy about this.

Yeah. I'm sure they're ecstatic. Six years of fighting tooth and nail to avoid the merits in any courtroom I'm sure they can't wait to be shot out of the cannon as quickly as Silver has ordered. AOL's powder is dry and they been prepared for this for months. Best of luck to you...sorry your delay request was denied yesterday. I'm sure your lawyers are happy about that as well. Congrats!

 

[luvthe9]

. AOL's powder is dry and they been prepared for this for months.

I guess you were not to well prepared the last six years. Sorry Kev it's over son.

 

[EastUS1]

I'll take that as a compliment.

You should be embarrassed for associating yourself with a group who threw out a legitimate union .....

So alpa is/was a "legitmate union"? Wow! Thanks for the laughs. The Joke of the Day winner is now locked in. 🙂

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I'll take that as a compliment.

You should be embarrassed for associating yourself with a group who threw out a legitimate union for a selfish and misplaced agenda.

Well then maybe we should be associated with a group that produces great videos, sends feces thru the mail and steals personal information!, We think not, remember integrity matters KEV!

 

[luvthe9]

Well then maybe we should be associated with a group that produces great videos, sends feces thru the mail and steals personal information!, We think not, remember integrity matters KEV!

You forgot beat up spouses with baseball bats when having affairs.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

You forgot beat up spouses with baseball bats when having affairs.

Their version of the "spouseomatic" !

 

[snapthis]

Their version of the "spouseomatic" !

Never heard of a spouseomatic.

Do you bring it with you on layovers?

 

[electricjet98]

Never heard of a spouseomatic.

Do you bring it with you on layovers?

Maybe it's his inflateable goat?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Maybe it's his inflateable goat?

Maybe! Or the trial runs were yielding these results! http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700017004/Park-City-pilot-flight-attendant-arrested-in-love-triangle-assault.html?pg=all

 

[Claxon]

Jim Brucia CAL and alpa pilot "nuetral" US Air awa. CAL UAL in house seniority arbitration hearing, April 19, 2013


Brucia;

And after that, I was asked to be a pilot
3 neutral on the USAir and America West seniority
4 integration.
5 And that was on -- as a member of the
6 panel, with George Nicolau as the chairman of that
7 board.
8 Q Right. And who was the other pilot
9 neutral who served with you and George?
10 A Captain Gillen, who is over on the United
11 table today.
12 Q An interesting coincidence.
13 A I was shocked. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <<<<<<<<<(yea right)
14 Q And you have also served as Continental
15 Merger Committee chairman for some time?
16 A Yes. Since basically 1989-1990 time
17 frame.
18 Q All right. And I think you mentioned in
19 your last trip to the witness stand that you were on
20 a special national committee that dealt with merger
policy.
22 Is that correct?

A Yes.

 

[Claxon]

Brucia answering questions. I would personally like to ask Jim Brucia, how many former scabs do you have working as pilots for your airline?



"Q Okay. Would you tell us what was
10 discussed about the US Air/America West case?
11 A Well, after the US Air/America West case
12 was concluded by Mr. Nicolau, the US Air pilots,
13 specifically the Philadelphia domicile, or LEC,
14 really started to run amuck.
15 Q The local council officers?
16 A Yeah. The local council officers in
17 Philly really started to get a little crazy, and
18 they were ultimately put into trusteeship.

Q And what was the problem with that?
2 A Well, the US Air pilots, to put it simply,
3 didn't like the results of the SLI.
4 And as almost a weapon, they decided not
5 to ratify any subsequent JCBA, and they basically
6 ceased to negotiate at that point.
7 Q And do you recall what the numerical
8 distribution of pilots was in that case?
9 A Off the top of my head, I really don't.
10 Q Something like 5,000 to 2000?
11 A Yeah. That sounds right. That sounds
12 correct.
13 Q All right. So that was an issue that was
14 discussed, the problems that arose out of that?
15 A Right. The MPRC was tasked to look at the
16 wisdom of that, whether it was a good idea or a bad
17 idea to determine -- or for the pilot groups
18 involved in the respective mergers to have guidance
19 and determine when the sequence of events should
20 actually occur.
21 So the timeline was a very big issue for
22 us."

 

[Black Swan]

Brucia answering questions. I would personally like to ask Jim Brucia, how many former scabs do you have working as pilots for your airline?



"Q Okay. Would you tell us what was
10 discussed about the US Air/America West case?
11 A Well, after the US Air/America West case
12 was concluded by Mr. Nicolau, the US Air pilots,
13 specifically the Philadelphia domicile, or LEC,
14 really started to run amuck.
15 Q The local council officers?
16 A Yeah. The local council officers in
17 Philly really started to get a little crazy, and
18 they were ultimately put into trusteeship.

Q And what was the problem with that?
2 A Well, the US Air pilots, to put it simply,
3 didn't like the results of the SLI.
4 And as almost a weapon, they decided not
5 to ratify any subsequent JCBA, and they basically
6 ceased to negotiate at that point.
7 Q And do you recall what the numerical
8 distribution of pilots was in that case?
9 A Off the top of my head, I really don't.
10 Q Something like 5,000 to 2000?
11 A Yeah. That sounds right. That sounds
12 correct.
13 Q All right. So that was an issue that was
14 discussed, the problems that arose out of that?
15 A Right. The MPRC was tasked to look at the
16 wisdom of that, whether it was a good idea or a bad
17 idea to determine -- or for the pilot groups
18 involved in the respective mergers to have guidance
19 and determine when the sequence of events should
20 actually occur.
21 So the timeline was a very big issue for
22 us."

Not "almost like a weapon". Absolutely like a weapon. A very potent weapon that completely stopped the Nicolau from implementation. Then, the East pilots cemented the downfall of the Nicolau by changing their union. And the new one was not beholden to the previous one, as well as the Nicolau Award because it was never ratified in a JCBA.
That, in a nutshell is how final and binding became merely a bargaining proposal that was subsequently shelved.
I defy any West pilot to explain how the LOA 93 arbitration was immediately final and binding, yet the Nicolau is still challenged unsuccessfully again and again to this day.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Not "almost like a weapon". Absolutely like a weapon. A very potent weapon that completely stopped the Nicolau from implementation. Then, the East pilots cemented the downfall of the Nicolau by changing their union. And the new one was not beholden to the previous one, as well as the Nicolau Award because it was never ratified in a JCBA.
That, in a nutshell is how final and binding became merely a bargaining proposal that was subsequently shelved.
I defy any West pilot to explain how the LOA 93 arbitration was immediately final and binding, yet the Nicolau is still challenged unsuccessfully again and again to this day.

Speaking of weapons! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Tenth_Circuit
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[luvthe9]

Maybe it's his inflateable goat?

Fodase? the goat man!!!!!!!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Match that pilot and a name on the 10th circuit and connect the dots ! AZ courts and usairways a study in, well you'll get it!