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98% of the West class voted in favor of the MOU that supposedly harms them? Suddenly they have buyers remorse and now they want Silver to judicially intervene and mandate an amendment to the MOU unilaterally against the express, negotiated wishes of all the parties involved? To do that she would have to find that the parties did not have the right to freely negotiate to begin with.
There is no west. The only parties to the MOU are listed in the first paragraph and there is no mention whatsoever of redoing the Nic to placate a bunch of bitchy scabs.
 
There is no west. The only parties to the MOU are listed in the first paragraph and there is no mention whatsoever of redoing the Nic to placate a bunch of bitchy scabs.

A simple word search on the MOU..."west" revealed:

"The total number of aircraft block hours scheduled to be flown by mainline US
Airways West pilots during any rolling 12-month look-back period shall be no less than
436,850."

Why is that there?

You are a dumb ass.
 
There is no west. The only parties to the MOU are listed in the first paragraph and there is no mention whatsoever of redoing the Nic to placate a bunch of bitchy scabs.
You're going to lose again, but you must be used to that by now. Nobody wants the Nic to be redone, especially not the "bitchy scabs", who are all on the west list.

I don't see how you guys can call anything "ripe", especially when the MOU is not even in effect, and the merger isn't even a done deal. YOU LOSE! (AGAIN).

I'll second the "dumb ass" part!
 
A simple word search on the MOU..."west" revealed:

"The total number of aircraft block hours scheduled to be flown by mainline US
Airways West pilots during any rolling 12-month look-back period shall be no less than
436,850."

Why is that there?

You are a dumb ass.
Really? No mention in the FIRST PARAGRAPH of your new Contingent Collective Bargaining Agreement?

Dumbass.
 
98% of the West class voted in favor of the MOU that supposedly harms them? Suddenly they have buyers remorse and now they want Silver to judicially intervene and mandate an amendment to the MOU unilaterally against the express, negotiated wishes of all the parties involved? To do that she would have to find that the parties did not have the right to freely negotiate to begin with.

Before a DFR trial, Silver will have to first decide on ripeness. Once again that will be the tripping point in the West Class case, once again too early. Look at it from a workload standard. She says "ripe" and proceeds with a trial, only to find the Merger does not happen. Then what? "Never mind?" That is simply not the way courts work. They don't hold trials "just in case."

So she pulls a Wake and goes off the reservation. The proceedings then get in a line at the Ninth. Again, do you really think she wants to go forward with an entire trial knowing full well a ripeness ruling stands a snowball's chance in hell of surviving another trip to SF?

Like you say PHX, are they going to say they voted for something they thought would harm them so they could win a DFR? Yeah. Right.

The West Class cannot and will not put a new hire ahead of a seventeen year pilot. We are not going to let them.

Greeter
 
The West Class cannot and will not put a new hire ahead of a seventeen year pilot. We are not going to let them.

Greeter
A: We already put a new hire in front of your 17 year pilot that was too stupid to realize he was on a sinking ship

B: it isn't now, or ever was, up to you to decide anything.
 
A: We already put a new hire in front of your 17 year pilot that was too stupid to realize he was on a sinking ship

B: it isn't now, or ever was, up to you to decide anything.

Funny, that guy was snarter than you. The ship NEVER sunk.
 
That case is being appealed and has zero bearing on Addington II. Your misreading of the situation will be explained....as Judge Silver explained in her most recent order..."very soon"

What did Judge Silver say in her "most recent order" ? What can be misread from the following statement? It is legal and binding on the west, unlike a in house arbitration.

"Pursuant to the Court’s resolution of the motions for summary judgment,
IT IS ORDERED Counts I and III of the complaint are dismissed and judgment is
entered in favor of US Airline Pilots Association on Count II of the complaint. US Airline
Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach its duty of fair representation
provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose. This judgment is binding on the
following class: “All pilots employed by US Airways in September 2008 who were on the
America West seniority list on September 20, 2005.”
DATED this 4th day of December, 2012.

Judge Silver
 
The West Class cannot and will not put a new hire ahead of a seventeen year pilot. We are not going to let them.

Greeter

Now, I'm not saying it's fair, but since there has already been an arbitration (that hasn't been proven void), it really doesn't matter one bit what you and I think is fair. The fact is, I don't see how you'll be able to get anything better than the Nic when this is over and done with. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I just don't see it.

Bean
 
What did Judge Silver say in her "most recent order" ? What can be misread from the following statement? It is legal and binding on the west, unlike a in house arbitration.

"Pursuant to the Court’s resolution of the motions for summary judgment,
IT IS ORDERED Counts I and III of the complaint are dismissed and judgment is
entered in favor of US Airline Pilots Association on Count II of the complaint. US Airline
Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach its duty of fair representation
provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose. This judgment is binding on the
following class: “All pilots employed by US Airways in September 2008 who were on the
America West seniority list on September 20, 2005.”
DATED this 4th day of December, 2012.

Judge Silver
New case idiot. Always chasing the wrong bus. Now you get to convince the world of your phantom LUP. The Jury got a good laugh.
 
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