April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Claxon]

April 19, 2013


767jetz, how is the kumbaya chorus group doing?

To: United Pilots

From: MEC Communications Committee

As was predicted by MEC Chairman Jay Heppner in his April 14 letter, this past week's arbitration hearings generated some consternation for legacy United pilots who either attended or read the daily transcripts. The CAL Merger Committee made their arguments before the SLI Arbitration Panel in Washington, D.C., over the past five days. In the interest of transparency, we have posted on the ISL website the Integrated Seniority List as proposed by the CAL Merger Committee concluding their opening position.

Click Here to go to the [font=Trebuchet MS'] Merger Committee's Integrated Seniority List Info Central website to find the CAL Merger Committee's proposed Integrated Seniority List.[/font] (Note: You must have Microsoft Excel software to open the CAL Merger Committee's proposed Integrated Seniority List.)​

We also will post the exhibits presented this week by CAL. Their ISL proposal will not go over well with our pilot group but we are posting it nevertheless to keep you informed of the culmination of efforts on the CAL side of this argument. This is how they think our list should be constructed.

The UAL Merger Committee will have its opportunity to present our case during the next arbitration hearings scheduled for May 11-15, again in Washington, D.C. Then, you will hear our view of the world and an Integrated Seniority List proposal based on that view. The hearings in June are set aside for rebuttals to each Committee’s proposal.

I encourage all of you to stay informed on developments in the ISL arbitration. [font=Trebuchet MS'] Please visit the Merger Committee's [/font] [font=Trebuchet MS'] Integrated Seniority List Info Centralhttp://ual.alpa.org/Committees/Comm...ityListIntegrationSLI/tabid/7675/Default.aspx[/font][font=Trebuchet MS'] website for transcripts, exhibits and information on hearing location, dates and times.[/font]

 

[Claxon]

April 18th excerpt CAL UAL ALPA seniority integration in house arbitration. They have not mentioned the word scab once when referencing CAL and UAL pilots. I think that should be brought to the attention of others. Maybe someone will post a list, stay tuned.

"Exhibit 2 is a chart that shows the junior
14 Captain, both United and Continental Airlines, as of
15 the April 1, 2013 certified seniority list, based on
16 the April 2013 staffing list.
17 And we can see that the most junior
18 Captain at United Airlines, Engles, Seniority No.
19 4127, has a date of hire of March 11, 1996. And he
20 is 68.3 percent relative position within the
21 non-furloughed pilots at United airlines.
22 Q And how does that compare to the situation
Page 946
1 at Continental?
2 A The junior most Captain at Continental is
3 Ron Sicoli, Seniority 3480, with a date of hire of
4 November 8, 2005."

 

[EastUS1]

..... the end to this debacle is near and I believe your side will be very unhappy.

Then I'd think you should be very happy. It's strange that none of your posts reflect any such joy. Oh well....not anyone's problem but your own, I suppose. The old cliche of misery liking company has validity. You'll perhaps not see it as unduly rude if I refuse your invitation to join you in yours. 🙂 Besides; you needn't be so sore about refusing a flying wager. You'll always have the comfort of being an internet tough guy. 😉

 

[snapthis]

April 19, 2013

Leonidas Update

"The majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength, and by acting on the law of the strongest breaks up the foundations of society." - Thomas Jefferson

"An impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Discarding the Nicolau Award places USAPA on dangerous ground." – Judge Roslyn Silver.

Fellow America West pilots:

We are very pleased to update you on yesterday’s scheduling order from Judge Silver. You can read the order here. The scheduling order sets a very aggressive timeline to adjudicate whether USAPA is bound to use the Nicolau. Notably, Judge Silver recognized in this order that she is aware of the importance of this case as well as her familiarity with the facts and parties to it. Yesterday’s order is clearly a very positive development for all US Airways pilots. It is regrettable that we have wasted six valuable years while USAPA dithered in the dream of jettisoning the Nicolau simply because the majority willed it, but we cannot change the past. What we can do is look forward to finally moving beyond the impasse that USAPA created.

It has been a long struggle for all of the AWA pilots. Your perseverance is what nobody anticipated six years ago. We have held together, and we have held strong.

Sincerely,

Leonidas, LLC

 

[EastUS1]

April 19, 2013

Leonidas Update

"The majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength, and by acting on the law of the strongest breaks up the foundations of society." - Thomas Jefferson

So..the latest assinine and unimaginably arrogant presumption from the mighty little band of "spartans", is that Mr. Jefferson would've naturally and instantly agreed with the idea of putting a new apprentice ahead of another craftsman with 17 years worked, as being something fully enhancing and strengthening the foundations of society? Thanks for the joke of the day. 🙂

http://law.wm.edu/ab...ory/index.php Hmm....Why didn't Mr. Jefferson immediately demand that he be made "senior"? Could it be because, unlike ahem.."some"...that he had an actually rational mind? 🙂

"In some ways, the origins of William and Mary's law school can be traced to 1762. That year, a Williamsburg lawyer named George Wythe, one of the most distinguished attorneys in colonial America, was asked to take on a particularly promising recent William and Mary graduate as an apprentice in his law office. Wythe agreed, and so for the next five years, he provided Thomas Jeffersonwith an extraordinary education that equipped him not only to practice law, but also to provide the intellectual and political leadership that the new nation would so desperately need."

In another instance; Mr. Jefferson apprenticed one of his own, in order to learn culinary skills. Surprisingly again...he didn't insist that the apprentice be made "senior" to the Chef. Given that AOL's absurdly trying to steal approval for their little nic scam from him...well...you do the math as best you can here. 😉

http://www.brainpick...s-creme-brulee/

"If you, like me, believed that Julia Child brought French cuisine to America, you’re off — nearly two centuries off. It turns out we owe the feat to Thomas Jefferson, who in 1784 made a deal with one of his slaves, 19-year-old James “Jame” Hemmings, to apprentice him to one of France’s finest chefs. In exchange for going along with the plan, Jefferson would grant Jame his freedom."

Much like with AOL; one could teach a marginally talented parrot to sling lines from Mr. Jefferson...without the slightest idea of what they were squawking. 🙂 So what can be taken from this? Is it truly the case that your "spartan" constituents are largely uneducated, squawking parrots, entirely innocent of any actual history and philosophy? Hmm...given the "spartans" bit...I now realize that to be a purely rhetorical question....nevermind. 😉

 

[snapthis]

So..the latest assinine and unimaginably arrogant presumption from the mighty little band of "spartans", is that Mr. Jefferson would've naturally and instantly agreed with the idea of putting a brand new apprentice ahead of another craftsman with 17 years worked, as being something fully enhancing and strengthening the foundations of society? Thanks for the joke of the day. 🙂

http://law.wm.edu/ab...ory/index.php Hmm....Why didn't Mr. Jefferson immediately demand that he be made "senior"? Could it be because, unlike ahem.."some"...that he had an actually rational mind? 🙂

"In some ways, the origins of William and Mary's law school can be traced to 1762. That year, a Williamsburg lawyer named George Wythe, one of the most distinguished attorneys in colonial America, was asked to take on a particularly promising recent William and Mary graduate as an apprentice in his law office. Wythe agreed, and so for the next five years, he provided Thomas Jeffersonwith an extraordinary education that equipped him not only to practice law, but also to provide the intellectual and political leadership that the new nation would so desperately need."

In another instance; Mr. Jefferson apprenticed one of his own, in order to learn culinary skills. Surprisingly again...he didn't insist that the apprentice be made "senior" to the Chef. Given that AOL's absurdly trying to steal approval for their little nic scam from him...well...you do the math as best you can here. 😉

http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2012/11/16/thomas-jeffersons-creme-brulee/

"If you, like me, believed that Julia Child brought French cuisine to America, you’re off — nearly two centuries off. It turns out we owe the feat to Thomas Jefferson, who in 1784 made a deal with one of his slaves, 19-year-old James “Jame” Hemmings, to apprentice him to one of France’s finest chefs. In exchange for going along with the plan, Jefferson would grant Jame his freedom."

I share your interest in history and read your link on America's first Law school. Not too far from that historical English settlement of Jamestown and Williamsburg I have visited.

As far as the update, I fail to see a Nic scam. 😉

 

[EastUS1]

As far as the update, I fail to see a Nic scam. 😉

And with that....I hear parrots in the background. 🙂 If you would care to address the following, we could converse: ....that Mr. Jefferson would've naturally and instantly agreed with the idea of putting a new apprentice ahead of another craftsman with 17 years worked, as being something fully enhancing and strengthening the foundations of society?

I've, without the least effort, shown that the man believed in apprenticeships. What possible support do you have for even the slightest fantasy he'd have been a grand enthusiast of the nic?

Btw: The real King Leonidas wouldn't likely have been much impressed with your band either. Real Spartans tended to view people in rather basic terms = Fellows, foes to be conquered and enslaved, or existing slaves. Guess which category your bunch would've fallen into. Hint: NOT fellow Spartans. 🙂

 

[Graceson]

A cockroach is someone who agrees to a final and binding process and then renegs when the process doesn't satisfy them. Sound familiar?

The Bill never quite makes it to the POTUS desk for veto or law, but no worries. the process is complete. It becomes law nonetheless.

 

[luvthe9]

April 19, 2013

Leonidas Update


We are very pleased to update you on yesterday's scheduling order from Judge Silver.

What's funny about this is USAPA attorneys are happy about this.

 

[snapthis]

What's funny about this is USAPA attorneys are happy about this.

I agree, sales of the Usapamatic out East are through the roof making some lawyers in DC very rich.

 

[Claxon]

I agree, sales of the Usapamatic out East are through the roof making some lawyers in DC very rich.

Coming soon to Leonidas website. Leonidas portable polygraph. Only 29.95
Has the stamp of approval from Respolygraphdoyaljudicata.

 

[EastUS1]

I agree, sales of the Usapamatic out East are through the roof making some lawyers in DC very rich.

That's much better suited material for AOL's parrot audience. You do well to leave Thomas Jefferson alone today. 🙂

It's just adorable how much respect your precocious little kids show for airline uniforms and the pilot profession btw.

GO "spartans"! 😉

 

[luvthe9]

I agree, sales of the Usapamatic out East are through the roof making some lawyers in DC very rich.

What an embarrassment to the west pilots and these guys fly planes. They should slow that lottery ticket going in also. AOL out of money and in debt to Marty and company, most west pilots are ready to move on. 98% vote on the MOU.

 

[snapthis]

What an embarrassment to the west pilots and these guys fly planes. They should slow that lottery ticket going in also. AOL out of money and in debt to Marty and company, most west pilots are ready to move on. 98% vote on the MOU.

I'll take that as a compliment.

You should be embarrassed for associating yourself with a group who threw out a legitimate union for a selfish and misplaced agenda.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Anyone know the schedule of hiring for the 250 newhires coming east?