April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Claxon]

I'm laughing at you. Seriously, laughing at you and your fellow morons on here.
The company just abandoned you clowns to fight this seniority issue alone. Yes, I am laughing hysterically at you.
More to come on May 10- 14

This merely delays a JCBA. You will be stagnant for YEARs as this drags through the courts.
And the 9th if Silver bites will get it again. She knows what happened to Neil V.

 

[prechilill]

Even IF the argument is somehow won that the MOU was a "contract," it is still conditional on a successful POR. I ask again. Is Judge Silver going to hold a trial based on an event that has not happened yet? I guess she could delay the proceedings for 4 or 5 months. Don't see how that "helps" poor Parker. How would he spin that to Judge Lane? "We believe this will all be settled at trial soon, but we are not sure?" That is WHY we have an MOU, to avoid problems like this during the exit from BK and the associated merger.

Will Judge Lane approve the merger and BK exit knowing that the MOU process will NOT be used, at least until all the litigation is settled? I am asking.

Greeter

Where do you get these crazy ideas? Are you that dense? This is your co-defendant's position:

Contrary to USAPA’s​

. 11 argument, the material terms and conditions of employment for both the East and West ​

. 12 pilots following the merger are now known and fixed by the MOU. ​

AND THIS:

23 While USAPA notes that a JCBA must still be negotiated following the merger, ​

. 24 and asserts that the MOU is therefore not a “final product” and “does not affect [the ​

. 1 ripeness] analysis at all” (USAPA’s Motion to Dismiss (Doc. No. 44) at pp. 9-10 (pp. 14- ​

. 2 15 of the ECF filing)), it fails to mention that the MOU itself has already determined and ​

. 3 sharply circumscribed the parameters of the JCBA. ​

AND THIS:

What is not settled by the MOU, however, is the seniority list(s) for US Airways ​

. 14 (East and West) pilots that will be used in the overall seniority integration with ​

. 15 American’s pilots. Any suggestion that the parties to the MOU (including US Airways) ​

. 16 have agreed that the Nicolau Award seniority list will not be used is incorrect. ​

AND THIS

22 There will not be any negotiations between USAPA and US Airways regarding the ​

. 23 relative placement of East and West pilots on the integrated seniority list. ​

 

[prechilill]

One more time:

22 There will not be any negotiations between USAPA and US Airways regarding the ​

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. 23 relative placement of East and West pilots on the integrated seniority list. ​

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Negotiating between USAPA and the company over seniority is declared to be over by the company in their filing. It's too late to modify the Nicolau because the company isn't going down that dangerous road.

So where does that leave USAP??? Twisting in the wind. You guys are on an island by yourselves.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Are you that dense???
Here, take a bite of this apple:

23 While USAPA notes that a JCBA must still be negotiated following the merger,​

. 24 and asserts that the MOU is therefore not a “final product” and “does not affect [the ​

. 1 ripeness] analysis at all” (USAPA’s Motion to Dismiss (Doc. No. 44) at pp. 9-10 (pp. 14- ​

. 2 15 of the ECF filing)), it fails to mention that the MOU itself has already determined and ​

. 3 sharply circumscribed the parameters of the JCBA. ​

It's over bud, you guys have every single entity involved against you- even your co-defendant.

I also saw all the filings by the Company during the Declaratory Judgment trial. They did not get ANYTHING they wanted, nor did LEO. USAPA prevailed, in a big, big way. The same Judge we are before now already told us (ripe or otherwise) we did NOT have to use the NIC.

"Everybody" against USAPA. So what else is new. But despite that, USAPA has prevailed now 6 years into the NIC, and a supposed merger of East and West was announced almost 8 years ago.

How are we doing?

Greeter

 

[prechilill]

I also saw all the filings by the Company during the Declaratory Judgment trial. They did not get ANYTHING they wanted, nor did LEO. USAPA prevailed, in a big, big way. The same Judge we are before now already told us (ripe or otherwise) we did NOT have to use the NIC.

"Everybody" against USAPA. So what else is new. But despite that, USAPA has prevailed now 6 years into the NIC, and a supposed merger of East and West was announced almost 8 years ago.

How are we doing?

Greeter

Very well. 8 years on a bankruptcy contract. It is the best you could do but Parker and the APA saved you.
Should have stayed at UAL...


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21 the US Airways/American seniority integration is totally different.​

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[prechilill]

Any suggestion that the parties to the MOU (including US Airways) ​

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. 16 have agreed that the Nicolau Award seniority list will not be used is incorrect. ​

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I am laughing my a$$ off at you clowns!!!

Just posting what your co-defendant had to say... sure is a lot different than your version. LOL

 

[Walmartgreeter]

One more time:

22 There will not be any negotiations between USAPA and US Airways regarding the ​

. 23 relative placement of East and West pilots on the integrated seniority list. ​

Negotiating between USAPA and the company over seniority is declared to be over by the company in their filing. It's too late to modify the Nicolau because the company isn't going down that dangerous road.

So where does that leave USAP??? Twisting in the wind. You guys are on an island by yourselves.

I read that different (go figure.)

If "twisting in the wind" means USAPA presents DOH with conditions and restrictions during M/B, then twist away! You have a list, we have a list. We present your DOH's and our DOH's. No problemo.

I really believe at some point in all this the issue will end up being an attempt by the West Class to have standing during M/B.

Greeter

 

[Pi brat]

Any suggestion that the parties to the MOU (including US Airways) ​

. 16 have agreed that the Nicolau Award seniority list will not be used is incorrect. ​

I am laughing my a$$ off at you clowns!!!

Just posting what your co-defendant had to say... sure is a lot different than your version. LOL

Yet ignoring the parts of the co-defendants motion that you don't like. You know that it's up to the Judge, right?

 

[Hate2fly]

Doug is a bar room brawler! This is perfect for Doug. The AA pilots think they are going to get a JCBA quickly with major improvements. Wrong! Doug will drag this out till Jan. 1, 2019. The current leadership at USAPA and the Army of Leo think Doug is a good buddy. If Silver takes this on Doug gets his wish. Everyone stays on a bankruptcy MOU for 6 more years. Doug tells all sides he agreed to stay out of it. Classic! Lets see what road Silver takes.

Hate

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Doug is a bar room brawler! This is perfect for Doug. The AA pilots think they are going to get a JCBA quickly with major improvements. Wrong! Doug will drag this out till Jan. 1, 2019. The current leadership at USAPA and the Army of Leo think Doug is a good buddy. If Silver takes this on Doug gets his wish. Everyone stays on a bankruptcy MOU for 6 more years. Doug tells all sides he agreed to stay out of it. Classic! Lets see what rode Silver takes.

Hate

My dream come true Hate! We ride out the new wages through 2018 and no mergers of any lists. That would be perfect! MOU payrates and East attrition works for me! I love the BK MOU, its a far better life for my family than LOA 93. I understand those that want more, but its enough for me.

Greeter

 

[Claxon]

I read that different (go figure.)

If "twisting in the wind" means USAPA presents DOH with conditions and restrictions during M/B, then twist away! You have a list, we have a list. We present your DOH's and our DOH's. No problemo.

I really believe at some point in all this the issue will end up being an attempt by the West Class to have standing during M/B.

Greeter

Ever wonder how the westerners start their wind ups and threats and then you see a company filing days later? Horner and Doyal have been hinting for weeks.
All roads lead to Elisse Eberwein and Russ. She prepares the notes from Doug and Seigel while Russ peers over her shoulder. You need to look strongly at the collusion. It is obviously there.

 

[Claxon]

My dream come true Hate! We ride out the new wages through 2018 and no mergers of any lists. That would be perfect! MOU payrates and East attrition works for me! I love the BK MOU, its a far better life for my family than LOA 93. I understand those that want more, but its enough for me.

Greeter

This is the Parker plan. Totally calculating. Enjoy your attrition and raise. You will get a JCBA in 2018 if Silver bites.

 

[prechilill]

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Yet ignoring the parts of the co-defendants motion that you don't like. You know that it's up to the Judge, right?

You're accusing me of your tactics? Patching words and truncating sentences now??? Lol

No daddy boy, I like the entire Document 49

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Ever wonder how the westerners start their wind ups and threats and then you see a company filing days later? Horner and Doyal have been hinting for weeks.
All roads lead to Elisse Eberwein and Russ. She prepares the notes from Doug and Seigel while Russ peers over her shoulder. You need to look strongly at the collusion. It is obviously there.

I hear you Clax, but I don't buy it. Of course LEO may get some back door notice in advance, that kind of stuff happens. But do you really think Parker is promoting either side? I don't. And how does Friday's filing mesh with Kirby's "No?" It does not.

Parker is looking out for Number 1. Marty has rained on his parade and there is some mild panic on the 9th floor. This will all pass.

Just ask what path provides the least resistance to the Merger, and that is where Judge Silver will go. And it will be easy for her, she already did the work months ago, and USAPA is easing her anguish with solid case law.

Greeter

 

[end_of_alpa]

I hear you Clax, but I don't buy it. Of course LEO may get some back door notice in advance, that kind of stuff happens. But do you really think Parker is promoting either side? I don't. And how does Friday's filing mesh with Kirby's "No?" It does not.

Parker is looking out for Number 1. Marty has rained on his parade and there is some mild panic on the 9th floor. This will all pass.

Just ask what path provides the least resistance to the Merger, and that is where Judge Silver will go. And it will be easy for her, she already did the work months ago, and USAPA is easing her anguish with solid case law.

Greeter

What I find interesting is that the AwFOL jihadists cherry pick company filings yet they ignore the two pleadings that really matter: AwFOL and USAPA. AwFOL is omnipotent and USAPA is evil. Absolutely NO discussion of either procedural due process before substantive due process (merits), just WE ARE RIGHT AND WE HAVE WON.

How about you West legal experts sticking to ALL the pleadings instead of the cherry picking. Heck, everyone here has read all the legal pleadings. I believe they (East, at least) are able to come to the proper legal conclusions like most lawyers at this point. Is it possible to read from the other pleadings than just the company?

I'm just curious.