April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[traderjake]

If "twisting in the wind" means USAPA presents DOH with conditions and restrictions during M/B, then twist away! You have a list, we have a list. We present your DOH's and our DOH's. No problemo.

Where's the contract that contains the DOH seniority list that USAPA presents?

 

[prechilill]

Where's the contract that contains the DOH seniority list that USAPA presents?

Exactly. That line of thinking was tacitly identified by the parties in Jusge Lane's court as disrupting the merger. Fact is, USAPa will probably be sequestered in what the can pull in their attempt to delay the merger. It's their only strategy: delay. The company, UCC, AMR all know this. Attempting to submit an unrecognized list which opens the door to litigation will not be accepted. USAPA's time to submit and deal with the company a reorder of the east/ west seniority list is over. That window is effectively closed as revealed in the company's filing- it's full speed ahead for the merger and usapa has been identified as a problem by every single entity- even their co- defendant.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Exactly. That line of thinking was tacitly identified by the parties in Jusge Lane's court as disrupting the merger. Fact is, USAPa will probably be sequestered in what the can pull in their attempt to delay the merger. It's their only strategy: delay. The company, UCC, AMR all know this. Attempting to submit an unrecognized list which opens the door to litigation will not be accepted. USAPA's time to submit and deal with the company a reorder of the east/ west seniority list is over. That window is effectively closed as revealed in the company's filing- it's full speed ahead for the merger and usapa has been identified as a problem by every single entity- even their co- defendant.

and what legal precepts do you rely on, exactly?

 

[A320 Driver]

I'm laughing at you. Seriously, laughing at you and your fellow morons on here.
The company just abandoned you clowns to fight this seniority issue alone. Yes, I am laughing hysterically at you.
More to come on May 10- 14

I don't feel abandoned at all. I don't feel the company was, at any time, on any side but their own. You can "laugh" to your hearts content, but that will not change what will happen in court. No one knows what will happen...NO ONE. So poke your fun. Just realize that no matter which way this thing goes, the one who looks foolish is you. Just one more hysterical female...more or less. Lots of luck.

 

[snapthis]

Doug is a bar room brawler! This is perfect for Doug. The AA pilots think they are going to get a JCBA quickly with major improvements. Wrong! Doug will drag this out till Jan. 1, 2019. The current leadership at USAPA and the Army of Leo think Doug is a good buddy. If Silver takes this on Doug gets his wish. Everyone stays on a bankruptcy MOU for 6 more years. Doug tells all sides he agreed to stay out of it. Classic! Lets see what road Silver takes.

Hate

Doug is good at unmerging airlines and profiting from it. I'm not impressed with his leadership skills. I wonder if he was one of those parents who left his kids home alone while he went to the watering hole.That's pretty much what he did with us.

 

[luvthe9]

Doug is good at unmerging airlines and profiting from it.

Sure wish him the best of luck and hope he gets rid of the dead wood west. PS Nothing is ripe.

 

[Claxon]

I hear you Clax, but I don't buy it. Of course LEO may get some back door notice in advance, that kind of stuff happens. But do you really think Parker is promoting either side? I don't. And how does Friday's filing mesh with Kirby's "No?" It does not.

Parker is looking out for Number 1. Marty has rained on his parade and there is some mild panic on the 9th floor. This will all pass.

Just ask what path provides the least resistance to the Merger, and that is where Judge Silver will go. And it will be easy for her, she already did the work months ago, and USAPA is easing her anguish with solid case law.

Greeter

The ripe claims chorus along with Siegel dropping that in just recently are too coincidental. The Leonidas jihadists Doyal and Horner had inside alert on that. You are underestimating their inside track. The western jihadists still have multiple inside
sources. Just remember how they accessed your addresses and social security info. That came from a chief pilot.
Parker is lighting matches in every labor corner, hoping to play the benefits of the MOU as long as he can.

 

[Graceson]

I saw the jumping for joy by prechill and various other posters over the company's lasting filing. I took a look at it tonight and tried to read it with as open mind as possible.

It's clear that the company, AA and it's creditors want this thing to be ripe and settled. I'll be honest, I want it to be too. But, it seems that for many ripe=Nic cemented. Maybe, but did anything else in the company's filing stand out to west guys? Here are a few that did to me, admittedly biased against the Nic.

“In any event, US Airways will not be presenting or advocating
for the use of the Nicolau Award or any other seniority list
in the US Airways/American seniority-integration process.
The MOU expressly provides that “US Airways . . .shall remain
Neutral regarding the order in which pilots are placed on the integrated seniority list.””

“Accordingly, enjoining USAirways “from integrating
pilot seniority without using the Nicolau Award list to
define the relative seniority of US Airways pilots” would be an idle gesture
and an unwarranted use of this Court’s equity power.”

“Plaintiffs may be right or they may be wrong”

Did any west pilot notice that "ripeness" was a small part of USAPA's filing?

Briar patch

The company's filing possesses a near whisp of misdirection. A deft slight of hand ostensibly advocating support of the NIC and ripeness, but yet a clever legal strategy defensive in nature.

A strategy of deniable complicity with the east, while at the same time, framing the courts response, forcing Silver into an unequivocal judgement that she wouldn't deliver in the DJ.

Either way, the filing veils a subtle intent compelling the court to go on record as to the extent of liability that Silver essentially refused to address in the DJ. Instead of the company saying, "Tell me if I must use the NIC," they are now saying, "I am using the NIC, so stop me."

Reframing the same question to compel an immediate response while at the same time shirking the liability of complicity in any future litigation.

 

[prechilill]

The company's filing possesses a near whisp of misdirection. A deft slight of hand ostensibly advocating support of the NIC and ripeness, but yet a clever legal strategy defensive in nature.

A strategy of deniable complicity with the east, while at the same time, framing the courts response, forcing Silver into an unequivocal judgement that she wouldn't deliver in the DJ.

Either way, the filing veils a subtle intent compelling the court to go on record as to the extent of liability that Silver essentially refused to address in the DJ. Instead of the company saying, "Tell me if I must use the NIC," they are now saying, "I am using the NIC, so stop me."

Reframing the same question to compel an immediate response while at the same time shirking the liability of complicity in any future litigation.

Nailed it

 

[prechilill]

Is the east going to engage in another illegal slowdown now that the contents of Doc 49 are sinking in? How is the operation going today?

 

[Claxon]

Is the east going to engage in another illegal slowdown now that the contents of Doc 49 are sinking in? How is the operation going today?

The AA pilots know you will do this to them when it is time to play hard.
They watch your videos, your crew news sessions. They know the makeup of the west div pilots. It is your nature to try and game others for your own advantage. You will be watched by them, and you will be scorned.

 

[prechilill]

The AA pilots know you will do this to them when it is time to play hard.
They watch your videos, your crew news sessions. They know the makeup of the west div pilots. It is your nature to try and game others for your own advantage. You will be watched by them, and you will be scorned.

🙂)

 

[Res Judicata]

Even IF the argument is somehow won that the MOU was a "contract," it is still conditional on a successful POR. I ask again. Is Judge Silver going to hold a trial based on an event that has not happened yet? I guess she could delay the proceedings for 4 or 5 months. Don't see how that "helps" poor Parker. How would he spin that to Judge Lane? "We believe this will all be settled at trial soon, but we are not sure?" That is WHY we have an MOU, to avoid problems like this during the exit from BK and the associated merger.

Will Judge Lane approve the merger and BK exit knowing that the MOU process will NOT be used, at least until all the litigation is settled? I am asking.

Greeter

It's not that complicated. Did you notice the Company is asking Silver for a Summary Judgement on the 14th? All she has to do is determine if USTUPID actually has an LUP to completely abandoning the Nic as a starting point to the SLI. We all know you don't have one. Your chief argument is still, laughably, "not ripe".

You fools have been played like a fiddle. Thank "give away Gary" for supplying the Ammo. Lets just say that idiot took the bait, "In its entirety". As Judge lane says. "How can it get MORE ripe"?

See you bumbling, fumbling, dolts in Court. Can't wait to watch your monkey Symazski try and Fk that football in front of us all. I'll be there front and center. HA!!

Btw, just because my observations are razor sharp, doesn't mean I'm particularly angry, I just don't mince words. Not my style. Scabs.

 

[Res Judicata]

The AA pilots know you will do this to them when it is time to play hard.
They watch your videos, your crew news sessions. They know the makeup of the west div pilots. It is your nature to try and game others for your own advantage. You will be watched by them, and you will be scorned.

Nutty as a God Damned fruit cake.

 

[700UW]

The ripe claims chorus along with Siegel dropping that in just recently are too coincidental. The Leonidas jihadists Doyal and Horner had inside alert on that. You are underestimating their inside track. The western jihadists still have multiple inside
sources. Just remember how they accessed your addresses and social security info. That came from a chief pilot.
Parker is lighting matches in every labor corner, hoping to play the benefits of the MOU as long as he can.

You have some serious issues, jihadists?

Seriously?

You are truly disrespectful to the victims in Boston.