April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Claxon]

Well, that is fine, you want the majority to determine the seniority integration for the NEXT merger, I understand that. We however are talking about a merger that occured years ago between two seperate groups. It would be like if during the Delta/Northwest or Continental/United mergers the seniority was simply decided by the larger group. Not right in any stretch of the imagination or legal either.

Bean

Keep going the direction you are headed. You are going to be dumped post merger just like we were. You may think you matter now. Just wait a few months.

Parker will shove that glee right down your throat when he moves onto the pretty gal at AA. He's already started a bar tab...You're buying Mr LOA ninety something.

He's going home with the girl.

Enjoy the PHX base for the next five years of separate ops. By the way our seniority at NWA DAL, the most lost from date of hire was two years. The fences made up for it.

 

[Claxon]

http://articles.lati...ne-america-west

 

[Claxon]

america west pilots saved Ansett Airlines.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5t5aE0iW4o

 

[Claxon]

"So here’s Max and I trying to slither off to our apartments through this rather unfriendly group of Federation pilots with their wives and kids. Well, that’s unfair. The pilots and children were actually fairly civil. You could talk to the pilots. Their wives, however, made their run-ins at the waterline. Fortunately, there weren’t too many of them.
I suppose they were experimenting with the tactic of making themselves look pitiful. They dragged their children around with them and planted them in front of you if you tried to move.
Well, what can one say? It was an interesting technique, but you could tell that the kids would really rather have been someplace else at the time.
In fact it was kind of hard to keep from laughing, but with 50+ of them and two of us there were some subliminal inhibitions against it."

Real funny, scabbing and make fun of the wife's and children that were worried about their future. west pilots, what a knee slapper.

http://scabsr.us/duw1.htm

 

[snapthis]

Enjoy the PHX base for the next five years of separate op.

Says who? Claxon?

 

[Claxon]

Says who? Claxon?

Says any pilot with a moral compass who read the above history.

 

[Beancounter]

Enjoy the PHX base for the next five years of separate ops. By the way our seniority at NWA DAL, the most lost from date of hire was two years. The fences made up for it.

So are you furloughed NW or a new hire Delta?

Fenced into PHX? I can see if you were talking about Newark or Pittsburgh, but PHX? People pray they don't die before retirement on the east coast so they can move west. Sometimes I can't tell if you're serious or just trying to be funny.

Bean

 

[Claxon]

So are you furloughed NW or a new hire Delta?

Fenced into PHX? I can see if you were talking about Newark or Pittsburgh, but PHX? People pray they don't die before retirement on the east coast so they can move west. Sometimes I can't tell if you're serious or just trying to be funny.

Bean

There are no furloughed NWA pilots and there are no DAL new hires.

Delta Airlines

11,770​

Total

11,770​

Active

0​

Furlough
Accepting applications. Apply online. Management states no hiring is planned until late 2013.


I speak for the Ansett women and children.

 

[Beancounter]

Bean. After 6 years from the NIC arrival there is no merger of pilots. Never happened. In fact it has been 8 years since the public announcement of the merger. Your seniority in regards to East West has NEVER been decided, much less voted on.

But I know you disagree. That's ok, lets watch the proceedings.

Greeter

The merger was completed a looong time ago. The seniority WAS decided, just not implemented. The pilots never were integrated, because we didn't have a single contract, that's soon to be remedied. I agree, there's nothing left to do but read the transcripts as they come out. Have a good night.

Bean

 

[Claxon]

The merger was completed a looong time ago. The seniority WAS decided, just not implemented. The pilots never were integrated, because we didn't have a single contract, that's soon to be remedied. I agree, there's nothing left to do but read the transcripts as they come out. Have a good night.

Bean

There are no furloughed NWA pilots and there are no DAL new hires.

Delta Airlines

11,770​

Total

11,770​

Active

0​

Furlough
Accepting applications. Apply online. Management states no hiring is planned until late 2013.


I speak for the Ansett women and children.

 

[snapthis]

america west pilots saved Ansett Airlines.

Evertime I see you post this, I'll post a rebuttal which has be posted on another forum:

"I know the guys who flew in Australia. No one crossed a picket line. There was no strike, there was a work dispute and the Australian pilots resigned their positions. But there was never a strike. They flew AWA airplanes under contract just like every ACMI operator out there. There were Brannif and Wardair guys that took jobs down there. AWA pilots did not.

UAL also flew domestic passengers between SYdney and Melbourne but everyone conveniently forgets that. It's easy to throw names on a list that can't be disputed or verified.

There were a couple of wein scabs at AWA but they are long gone. James Ray, however, a CO scab is still a USAPA spokesman.

USAPA was set up to circumvent a lawful union, ALPA. USAPA meets the definition of a,yellow dog union. All they have done is given management free rein to whipsaw two pilot groups. Thankfully, USAPA's days are numbered "

 

[Beancounter]

There are no furloughed NWA pilots and there are no DAL new hires.

I speak for the Ansett women and children.

I was refering to new hires at the time of the merger. I have friends that were hired around 05'/06' I think. I know it was after I was hired at AWA, because I was one of the first in my class from college/flight school to get hired at a major.

Ansett was looong before my time.

Bean

 

[Claxon]

Evertime I see you post this, I'll post a rebuttal which has be posted on another forum:

"I know the guys who flew in Australia. No one crossed a picket line. There was no strike, there was a work dispute and the Australian pilots resigned their positions. But there was never a strike. They flew AWA airplanes under contract just like every ACMI operator out there. There were Brannif and Wardair guys that took jobs down there. AWA pilots did not.

UAL also flew domestic passengers between SYdney and Melbourne but everyone conveniently forgets that. It's easy to throw names on a list that can't be disputed or verified.

There were a couple of wein scabs at AWA but they are long gone. James Ray, however, a CO scab is still a USAPA spokesman.

USAPA was set up to circumvent a lawful union, ALPA. USAPA meets the definition of a,yellow dog union. All they have done is given management free rein to whipsaw two pilot groups. Thankfully, USAPA's days are numbered "

http://www.vision.net.au/~apaterson/aviation/pd89_document.htm

 

[usabusdriver]

Here are a few that did to me, admittedly biased against the Nic.



“Accordingly, enjoining USAirways “from integrating
pilot seniority without using the Nicolau Award list to
define the relative seniority of US Airways pilots” would be an idle gesture and an unwarranted use of this Court’s equity power.”

PI,

I believe what they are trying to convey is that since the company is NOT an active or primary participant in the M/B negotiation/arbitration process, forbidding them from doing something that is not in the purview of their control is a waste of time.

It is like the company forbidding you from not allowing the catering trucks onto the airport grounds.

 

[Claxon]

A was refering to new hires at the time of the merger. I have friends that were hired around 05'/06' I think. I know it was after I was hired at AWA, because I was one of the first in my class from college/flight school to get hired at a major.

Ansett was looong before my time.

Bean

A pilot hired East, during your scabbing was before your time.

http://scabsr.us/new_page_4.htm