Atheism

[delldude]

The way I see it, you liberal progressives are pushing some sort of Godless agenda, that believes you can justify any behavior through moral relativism or junk science. Progressives like to think their way is the only way. Well who are the real Huckleberry's? Check this short video out, kinda interesting. http://www.therightscoop.com/open-thread-grinding-america-down/

Stunned silence from the I hate Jesus love them gays crowd.

You will all live well and prosper under Islam.

 

[xUT]

Exactly.

I never had a choice either. Always liked women. No one I know had a choice. So now we can put that myth to rest.

Of course you wouldn't have the guts to post my whole post in your retort or reply with your experience, then obfuscate what I said.

Pick what you think applies to your agenda and ignore the truth.

Sad little tree...

 

[Ms Tree]

Well, there go 7 min of my life I'll never get back.

 

[xUT]

Are atheists treated as second class citizens? We most certainly are. This is not up for debate. But it will not be like that for ever, as is obvious. Better enjoy the status quo while you can.
And since you seem very supportive of that position (enjoying the status quo), given what is involved, yes that makes you bigoted in no unspecific terms.

As for us, not so simple. Our outlook is no more bigoted towards religion than a doctor's is toward cancer. Eventually this condition will be eradicated as more and more people become less patient with the issue, and in general more educated, but until then, it is a condition that we simply have to put up with being uncomfortably close to.
For most of you, on the other hand, there is an unmistakable resentment at our very presence. Color it any way you want, but that makes you bigoted.

And to correct you, yet again as seems to be necessary, no, no one has freedom from religion. That doesn't happen until people grow up and start treating it as a private matter instead of insisting that they trot their "faith" out in public, insisting that the rest of us go out of our way to accommodate that at every opportunity.




You seriously believe people choose to be gay? With everything that comes with that, the intolerance and prejudices, and in general mistreatments (especially from the religious crowd), you seriously believe that? The only people who claim the jury is out on that one generally have an interest in saying so. There is little, if any, science involved with taking that position.

WOW, hope you don't have access explosives. You have some real anger issues.


1. How are atheists treated as second class citizens, please educate me as I have never seen it in the news?

2. Great a bigot calling me a bigot. How am I bigoted? Are you going to eradicate me because you don't agree or understand my belief?
Dud you are in serious need of help.

3. So you atheists propose science instead of theism. When there is no scientific proof, you fall back on your 'belief system' of only believing what you want and ignoring everything else.

Oh Yea, I am a narrow minded bigot. :wacko:

 

[xUT]

I believe he already admitted that he was wrong on that count. He stated that he was born the way he is and had no choice as is the case with an overwhelming majority.

There is a small percentage who consciously try something different, "experiment" if you will. Oddly, most of the people I know who did that are gay people who tried to be straight in order to fit in and because of societal pressures. Being gay was wrong so they tried not to be gay. Several of them got married. A few even had children but after a while the misery of pretending to be someone they were not just became to much. They got divorced, lived life as nature seemed to intend and everyone was happier after the hurt gave way to understanding.

Of course, you are full of crap 'again'!

Former Homosexual Says 'No One Is Born Gay'

Stephen Bennett is a former homosexual, who lived the "gay" lifestyle for 11 years. Today he's married and has two young children. He's also a born-again Christian who has a ministry to men and women who want to be set free from homosexuality. Whenever he's invited to appear on television news programs, though, Stephen says most won't let him tell his story truthfully. And they won't let him say that he's a former homosexual.

DOH!

 

[Ms Tree]

I realize consistency is not your strong suite so you need to pick a story and stick with it. Is science still out on the issue

Even scientific evidence is not conclusive regarding homosexuality.

or are we not taking the word of one guy interviewed on the 700 club as an authority that he was gay and now is not and that no one is born gay?

 

[Ms Tree]

Of course you wouldn't have the guts to post my whole post in your retort or reply with your experience, then obfuscate what I said.

Pick what you think applies to your agenda and ignore the truth.

Sad little tree...

Anyone can view your post. The only thing that applied was that you said you did not have a choice. The fact that you had negative experiences with gays is not relevant. I did not obfuscate anything. You said you did not have a choice. Your experience with gays revolted you. Big surprise.

What exactly is the truth?

 

[xUT]

I realize consistency is not your strong suite so you need to pick a story and stick with it. Is science still out on the issue



or are we not taking the word of one guy interviewed on the 700 club as an authority that he was gay and now is not and that no one is born gay?

You question my consistency? LOL Answer your ignored posts then get back to me.

You don't like the 700 club? Why? Truth makes you weak?

Here's a non 700 club:

 

[Ms Tree]

Yes I question your consistency. You are the one who posted that science has not determined whether sexual orientation is genetic or not. You are the one who posted that you did not have a choice with your sexual orientation. Then you go one to post a two (I know there are more) examples of people who got saved and are not straight (You forgot to post one of that pastor guy from a few years back). I have several friends who were married and realized they were living a lie and are gay. None of it proves anything other than for those individuals the life they were leading may have not been for them.

What post did I ignore?

 

[delldude]

Even scientific evidence is not conclusive regarding homosexuality.
Give us examples of how atheists contributed to society.
I don't see any.

It is a recognized mental disorder by the American Psychiatric Association, however due to pressure, that view was modified......but was it?

Gay activist groups believed that prejudice against homosexuals could be extinguished only if, as homosexuals, they were accepted as normal. "They claimed that homosexuality is a preference, an orientation, a propensity; that it is neither a defect, a disturbance, a sickness, nor a malfunction of any sort." To promote this aim, Dr. Bieber reports, "Gay activists impugned the motives and ridiculed the work of those psychiatrists who asserted that homosexuality is other than normal."

The factors that determined the decision of the APA to delete homosexuality from DSM-II were summarized as follows:

Gay activists had a profound influence on psychiatric thinking.

A sincere belief was held by liberal-minded and compassionate psychiatrists that listing homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder supported and reinforced prejudice against homosexuals. Removal of the term from the diagnostic manual was viewed as a humane, progressive act.

There was an acceptance of new criteria to define psychiatric conditions. Only those disorders that caused a patient to suffer or that resulted in adjustment problems were thought to be appropriate for inclusion in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual.

Oh my...........

With this said......the same pressure is now being applied to make pedophilia the new normal.

Hold your children close............

 

[Ms Tree]

Do you think that societal and religious influences had anything to do with the APA's original decision? I have done some research and have not been able to find any data to explain how the APA came to their original conclusion. Bias against homosexuality goes back centuries. We have a very limited understanding of how the human mind works today. Centuries ago they had nothing to go on. Most of the bias is religious in origin.

How a natural occurrence is considered deviant is beyond me. How they arrived at the correct decision is irrelevant to me as I do not give a lot of credence to mind fawks anyway.

 

[delldude]

Do you think that societal and religious influences had anything to do with the APA's original decision? I have done some research and have not been able to find any data to explain how the APA came to their original conclusion. Bias against homosexuality goes back centuries. We have a very limited understanding of how the human mind works today. Centuries ago they had nothing to go on. Most of the bias is religious in origin.

How a natural occurrence is considered deviant is beyond me. How they arrived at the correct decision is irrelevant to me as I do not give a lot of credence to mind fawks anyway.

Political pressure? When did GLBT start their agenda.

 

[Ms Tree]

Not sure. It's very difficult to pin an origin on a movement. What point are you trying to make?

 

[DarkSnowyNight]

WOW, hope you don't have access explosives. You have some real anger issues.

Says the man who types in boldface for whole lines at a time... I think I know how seriously to take that...

1. How are atheists treated as second class citizens, please educate me as I have never seen it in the news?

I wouldn't have a thing to argue that line with if all I ever watched was fox news and all I ever read was the bible. But out here in the real world, it's a different story.
I don't personally know an atheist who hasn't had to lie or change the subject when asked about their beliefs to get a job, placement in a school, etc at least a few times in life. Conversely, as a religionist, you haven't had to deal with that, unless you are a muslim or jew. As I said before, enjoy that while it lasts, because it will not for long. Perhaps if you live long enough to have to hide or downplay your religious views (I have no idea how old you are), you will see what we have had to deal with. Or maybe you'll just grow up and stop attempting to ridicule people who do not share or accept your wish-fulfillment fantasies.

Until such time, I will reiterate, this fact is not up for debate.

2. Great a bigot calling me a bigot. How am I bigoted? Are you going to eradicate me because you don't agree or understand my belief?

A. A reasoning person is telling you that your views are bigoted. Nothing more, nothing less. If "nuh-uh, uh uh... more like you!" is the best you can manage, then it's clear that intelligent debate is not your thing. I hope for your sake that you're not a lawyer.

B. No one said anything about eradicating you, and you know it. Through education and through the fading of just how patient the rest of society is with the increasingly fringey views of christianity and islam (in particular) you and others like you will eventually stop clinging to these ridiculous fantasies. Don't believe me? Ask yourself when was the last time you saw a church dedicated to Zeus. Or Rah. Thought so...

Dud you are in serious need of help.

Dude, you are in serious need of spellcheck.

3. So you atheists propose science instead of theism. When there is no scientific proof, you fall back on your 'belief system' of only believing what you want and ignoring everything else.

Ah, yes...The "Absolute" dodge. Claiming that if you can't be absolutely right than what you contend is on equal footing with what anyone else is contending, ignoring observed rules and past history. The thing is nobody, and I mean nobody, really believes this, otherwise they would be afraid to get out of bed in the morning because they absolutely couldn't be sure that a piano isn't waiting for them to step outside so it can crash down on them from three stories up. Are you absolutely sure it can't happen?

Putting it another way... "The race is not always to the swift nor the battle to the strong, but that's the way to bet." ~Damon Runyon

Oh Yea, I am a narrow minded bigot.

You're espousing bigoted views, likely from a place of fear. What are we supposed to think?

 

[delldude]

I don't personally know an atheist who hasn't had to lie or change the subject when asked about their beliefs to get a job, placement in a school, etc at least a few times in life.

Never happened once in my life...

I wasn't aware religious choice was/is a prerequisite for a job or placement in a school.....unless you're going into the clergy....

An atheist preist........