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ATR-72 in SBY

Sadly, I can think of atleast one occasion in ORD where a worker walked into a spinning prop on the ATR (back in the early 90's). we'll never know what the worker was thinking but somepeople think she thought or assumed the prop brake was on but it wasn't , possibly being used to that sound coming from the engine. Due to the dangerous enviroment it's one of many reasons that I believe ramp agents should earn a decent wage for what they do.

I was in ORD in 99 when a guy did it. Didn't kill him but I would guess it messed him up permanently. I agree it is a dangerous environment but they really should know better. Lesson 1, day 1 with a flight student is treat a prop like it's spinning. It's no different than a jet engine.

Bottom line, they really oughta pay our ground agents better. There's any number of "gotchas" that could end their career....or their life.
 
There was also an incident in DCA (I think) where an employee was killed.
 
Mesa has what I understand *(and don't quote me on this) are some of the old Piedmont Dashes in PHX that they fly to GJT and DUR, among other places. They suck because they weight of the APU means it is always weight restricted and the non-revs/jumpseaters get bumped.

Mesa does have a couple of old Piedmont Dash 8-200s. They removed the APUs when they took over the leases on those Dashes. The weight restriction would be even worse if the APUs were still installed.
 
Continental is ahead of the game...

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US flying them at W/O PDT would be a way to do Express service and have it actually be profitable.
 
Maybe US can find some old electras or ys-11's in the graveyard. What the hell do they think they'll find? 🙄
 
Maybe US can find some old electras or ys-11's in the graveyard. What the hell do they think they'll find? 🙄

The NAMC YS-11 is nothing but a Japanese Convair. For love of Country, let's bring back the Convair 580!!! :up:
 
400s aren't going to replace every 100 and 300 already on the lot at Piedmont. It's going to take a mix of 100s (or 200s) and more 300s to cover the existing cities and the 400s will be mostly growth into air whiskey/mesa markets. 400s would also likely replace 100s on routes like MDT-CLT as well.
I believe your correct in your assumption. The Q400 is a big, big aircraft. I got a change to walk inside it when the aircraft was at SBY a few years ago. Just because you buy and introduce an aircraft that has a nearly 50% increase in available passenger seats above what you currently operate does not guarantee that passenger demand at some of the smallest cities Piedmont flies into will increase by nearly 50%.

For selffish reasons, I'd love to see Piedmont fly a fleet of 60+ aircraft with a mix of Q300s and Q400s. Piedmont, and of course US Airways, could dominate the short-haul point-to-point markets and passenger main line hub feed with a route system in the northeast and mid-atlantic regions (where I've heard/read 2/3s of the US population resides). I'd be afraid that there would be some small non-hub markets currently served by US Airways Express that simply would not have the enplanements to justify a Q300, let alone a Q400 and would likely be eliminated from the existing route system. But think of the opportunities if that fleet already existed, or could come on line by the end of 12/09.
 
400s aren't going to replace every 100 and 300 already on the lot at Piedmont.

True, but the majority of our fleet must be replaced. To keep pissing off 280,000 people a month well into the future 24 - 50 at a time is going to require replacing most of the 100s and acquiring more 300s. As the 100s age, they get phenomenally more expensive to run- how do you amortize a 40K check AND a 60K check on the same plane? Answer: You sell it or park and part it. Or should, anyway.

It's going to take a mix of 100s (or 200s) and more 300s to cover the existing cities and the 400s will be mostly growth into air whiskey/mesa markets.

So back to my point... growth into AW/Mesa markets doesn't seem to mean PDT doing it. And btw, I see AW doing a tremendous amount of what PDT used to do- and what Mesa used to do on the east prior to the merger was largely a PDT dominated market. FL much?

You'll probably never see another 200 here again. Which is sad, because that was by far the most fun variant of the fleet.

400s would also likely replace 100s on routes like MDT-CLT as well.


See, now you're thinking all rationally and what-not.

The whole point is that unless something really neato, whizbang cheap and shiny comes to our property, we won't have much to do except die. Trying to see where and what they plan on doing is impossible, but trying to get a bead on their mindset by reading their press releases might find a chain of logic. It seems to me that they see PDT as a low, short and slow only market filler. (We're the retarded midget of USAirways!) Whatever.

Sig out.


And check out what our "sales" were estimated at for 2007:

http://hoovers.com/piedmont-airlines/--ID_...factsheet.xhtml

We are a wholly owned, so we essentially operate at cost, right? Using the ultra cheap turbo props, as opposed to the 50 seat RJ?


Here's PSA:

http://hoovers.com/psa-airlines/--ID__1041...factsheet.xhtml


I have no idea how they got these numbers. They could be bullshod.
 
You'll probably never see another 200 here again. Which is sad, because that was by far the most fun variant of the fleet.
They don't offer new build 100s anymore. Those markets that can't support 300/400 operations will have to be served with some other aircraft as the 100s fade away or the markets will have to be abandoned.
 
They still make Q200s... which is basically a 100 with a 400 engine. Why not a mixed order of Q200/300/400 to replace the existing PDT fleet, most of the RJs, and replace mainline aircraft on short routes, freeing them up for more longer haul flying? PDT could be quite a large airline operating the whole family and used correctly.
 
They still make Q200s... which is basically a 100 with a 400 engine.
Q400 engines (PW150) have more than double the power of the Q200 engines (PW123). The 400 is a really remarkable aircraft.
 
They don't offer new build 100s anymore. Those markets that can't support 300/400 operations will have to be served with some other aircraft as the 100s fade away or the markets will have to be abandoned.
Cynic:

I believe those markets that can't support 300/400 are simply not going to be served by some other aircraft and are simply going to be eliminated from the route system. Those effected (passengers) in these markets previous flown by 37-seat, and below, aircraft are just going to have to drive to the nearest airport with airline service. This is why I mentioned in my previous post that I'm afraid that there would be some smaller non-hub markets currently served by US Airways Express that simply would not have the enplanements (profits) to justify a Q300, let alone a Q400 and would likely be eliminated from the existing route system.

Below is a link to a neat Financial Presentation by Pinnacle Airlines (Colgan being a W/O sub). On page 24 Pinnacle announces they are to remove (Colgan's) uneconomical B1900 fleet from service by end of 2008. What the report doesn't say is how long Pinnacle (Colgan) intends to keep the 340 fleet.

http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/...tation_1108.pdf
 
I hope and believe the Q200 could make the long trip from LGA to PHL with a full boat. I don't understand all the details but as the -100's have aged they have become more weight restricted, and it seems to be worsening. Not unusual for LGA-PHL to be restricted to 32-33 paxs (37 seat aircraft). Commuter aircraft have been known for weight restrictions as long as I can remember but the Dash was never a problem until about 2 years ago. I believe the Q200 has a noticebly higher MTOW than the -100 even though they are the same size/capactity.

Regards

LGA777
 
I hope and believe the Q200 could make the long trip from LGA to PHL with a full boat. I don't understand all the details but as the -100's have aged they have become more weight restricted, and it seems to be worsening. Not unusual for LGA-PHL to be restricted to 32-33 paxs (37 seat aircraft). Commuter aircraft have been known for weight restrictions as long as I can remember but the Dash was never a problem until about 2 years ago. I believe the Q200 has a noticebly higher MTOW than the -100 even though they are the same size/capactity.

Regards

LGA777
Restrictions appear to be significantly worse this year than last. The 200 can take 37 passengers, a jumpseater and as many bags as you can stuff in the back without any problems.
 

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