August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Pi brat]

Which is exactly why you personally will have no say in the issue. Now, run along and kick your dog, he's probably got it coming. RR

Funny that they talk about east guys as AF/Os. I have the feeling he is a RAF/ONOD(Really Angry Former F/O Now Office Dweller).

 

[EastUS1]

It's fun watching the death of Usapa... A lot of fun!
What stupid move will they do next? Which judge will they piss off the most? Hmmm. I'd say it is totally unpredictable because usapa is driven by nut cases. We get a glimpse of that on here, from each airline and each seat.
Another question- and this is serious- Is Borman going to eat himself to death after the Nic gets shoved down his big, stinky, Perio diseased mouth? How will Pizza the Hut deal with his grief? CRIP?

Sigh! Seriously; what will you find to direct your anger and frustration with apparently life-it's-own-self at, or to be so sadly wrapped-around-the-axle with, when this little mess is finished?

 

[cltrat]

Previously covered: We see displayed here the entire "west thing" in an appropriately termed nutshell = Delusions of Grandeur. 😉

you guys probably shouldn't even humor Res with a response, when his latest predictions go down the toilet, he will disappear like a cockroach with the light on just like last time.

 

[EastUS1]

Funny that they talk about east guys as AF/Os. I have the feeling he is a RAF/ONOD(Really Angry Former F/O Now Office Dweller).

Well...I'd think it's simply an issue of their not being able to even imagine "exhalted-grand-poo-bah-capitanos" like moi laughing at them. Sorry, but airline captain's never much impressed me by way of being any "rank", and I've always figured the commercial flying environment to be a team effort. 🙂 I must suppose that if one's so twisted as to make issue of being, for example a "Capn Aux" or perhaps even a "knight", "spartan" or "dire wolf"...well...such "special" individuals' mileage certainly varies, and airline...Ooh!..."CAPTAIN" may well be all they have to offer the world, and one can have only proper sympathy for those clearly desperate to "achieve" such grand, personal "glory" via their nic dreams. 😉

 

[cactusboy53]

30 years ago today America West Airlines opened its doors in PHX. A decade later they were ranked as a "Major Airline". While a few rough spots were had in the road to success, AWA (like the fabled Phoenix) rose from the ashes to be a major force in the airline industry.

Thanks to ALL the hard-working AWA employees (past & present) for making us what we are today!!

 

[cleardirect]

Please provide a scenario of improper dismissal and for completeness please also provide a scenario of proper dismissal. Simple picture will suffice.. no long lecture needed.

If we go to the ninth and they say that the judge was wrong and should not have dismissed. She improperly dismissed it. Did that really need to be explained to you?

The ninth remanded Addington I because in their opinion judge Wake improperly hear that case.

But this is all academic. All the parties except the east pilots want this decided not dismissed. We all need an answer not a dismissal.

Why would judge Silver waste court resources holding a trial if she is going to dismiss? What possible information does she not have that would change her mind? why would she not dismiss without a trial if usapa has such a good case?

 

[Pi brat]

30 years ago today America West Airlines opened its doors in PHX. A decade later they were ranked as a "Major Airline". While a few rough spots were had in the road to success, AWA (like the fabled Phoenix) rose from the ashes to be a major force in the airline industry.

Thanks to ALL the hard-working AWA employees (past & present) for making us what we are today!!

Congrats on your heritage. Seriously and sorry I had to add that.

 

[EastUS1]

If we go to the ninth and.....

Yawn...Why don't you just call us all afterwards, whenever your Holy Statue/Shrine to St. Nic's set up in Red Square? 🙂 "Final and Binding!"..."Its OVER!..Get used to it!", "Ho ho ho. St nic is coming to town!", even (I kid none here) "Booyooshaka!", and my all-time-favorite: "You won't even get 200 cards!..Send the cards...I DARE you!". 🙂

Six years, two months and change...and you can STILL take yourselves so seriously? Be happy that you can, I suppose, since precious few outside your little tribe of mighty "spartans" can do anything other than appropriately chuckle. 🙂

PS: None need bother with any attempted "tough"/angry/whatever responses, since I've already heard the very best you "spartans" actually have to offer = "This is sparta!"/"I'll let the courts do my talking for me." 🙂

 

[Phoenix]

Congrats on your heritage. Seriously and sorry I had to add that.

Yes, seriously. Really.

Ps. The Phoenix is like a cool story, but I am not biassed at all. Really.

 

[Claxon]

30 years ago today America West Airlines opened its doors in PHX. A decade later they were ranked as a "Major Airline". While a few rough spots were had in the road to success, AWA (like the fabled Phoenix) rose from the ashes to be a major force in the airline industry.

Thanks to ALL the hard-working AWA employees (past & present) for making us what we are today!!

Well, lets add a little history to help your celebration.

Drugs and scabbing helped america west survive.

"I found the AMERICA WEST AIRLINE drug trafficking trial fascinating. Patrick Thurston, Vice President of Operations AMERICA WEST, Bob Russell, Chief of Pilots, and Carl Wobser, a captain, all pleaded guilty to multiple counts of narcotics trafficking. They had purchased a DC 6 and embarked upon aT h) Tcareer in the drug trade. Unfortunately for them their plane, which they maxed out electronically, had chronic engine problems which required them to touch down unexpectedly in several countries. This was more than embarrassing since they had not filed flight plans. On one such emergency stop in Aruba, on the way back from Columbia, their plane was found packed with marijuana. There is reason to believe that their intended cargo was cocaine and that after a mix)up they did not wish to fly back empty. Dispite the lofty positions these men held with AMERICA WEST they seemed to have no dificulity getting time off for their drug flights and AMERICA WEST wanted to rehire Russell after his 6 months in the Federal country club.

Twenty percent of the stock of AMERICA WEST was owned by ANSETT AIRLINES of Australia and 55% of ANSETT was held by Sir Peter Ables and Rupert Murdock. We know from Jonathan Kwitney's book THE CRIMES OF PATRIOTS that Burny Houghton, perhaps the key figure in the founding of the CIA drug money laundering bank NUGAN)HAND in Australia, had coffee with Sir Peter Ables the night of his first day in Australia.

I watched Assistant U.S. Attorney James Lacey prosecute both rounds of this case. The three AMERICAN WEST pilots had all plea bargained out. If they did not testify truthfully about the others in the case they would be looking forward to serious time. Lacey prosecutes all the large narcotics cases in Arizona. Because he is the son of Frederic Lacey, the federal judge appointed by the Justice Department to be administrator of the TEAMSTERS UNION, Jim Lacey has unusual clout in the U.S. Attorney's office here. Although Lacey could not deny the pertinence of the information I gave him it was clear that he did not want to know where this case ultimately led. I watched him play patty cake with the defendants when he should have been playing hard ball.

The plot began in July of 1986 when Helmut Bubbel called Thurston from Alaska and arranged a meeting at the ARIZONA BILTMORE RESORT HOTEL with Thurston and the other pilots. Ten days later they met again in Bangkok Thailand to arrange their first cargo. Their original plan was to make their pick up in communist Laos. One doesn't go to the great difficulty to travel to restricted Laos to purchase marijuana or Thai stick as the pilots claimed. Pot is legal in Thailand. One goes to Laos for heroin. Thurston testified that his cut of this first flight was to be one million dollars. When I ran the numbers for Lacey it was obvious that only a heroin cargo would generate this amount of profit. With the DC 6 three or four flights a year would have provided the entire US requirement for heroin.

It was well known that Thurston was formerly a CIA pilot for AIR AMERICA supporting the secret war in LAOS. Several employees of AMERICA WEST told me that all three pilots worked for military intelligence. I pleaded with Lacey to check the military records of the defendants. I know that he never did. I told him that Helmut Bubbel fit the perfect CIA profile and that he was probably the highest ranking member of the plot. After several unscheduled stops overseas made it clear to the pilots that they would be caught, it was Bubbel that the pilots closed ranks to protect."

 

[Phoenix]

.. why would she not dismiss without a trial if usapa has such a good case?

You might ask yourself why she did not provide summary judgement in favor of the West if the West has such a good case. What facts are in dispute? Really...

 

[Claxon]

30 years ago today America West Airlines opened its doors in PHX. A decade later they were ranked as a "Major Airline". While a few rough spots were had in the road to success, AWA (like the fabled Phoenix) rose from the ashes to be a major force in the airline industry.

Thanks to ALL the hard-working AWA employees (past & present) for making us what we are today!!

Yes, something to be proud of.

http://scabsr.us/duw1.htm

 

[Claxon]

30 years ago today America West Airlines opened its doors in PHX. A decade later they were ranked as a "Major Airline". While a few rough spots were had in the road to success, AWA (like the fabled Phoenix) rose from the ashes to be a major force in the airline industry.

Thanks to ALL the hard-working AWA employees (past & present) for making us what we are today!!

You worked for half or more of what other airline pilots made for most of your history.

http://web.mit.edu/a...nd Copilots.pdf

 

[Claxon]

30 years ago today America West Airlines opened its doors in PHX. A decade later they were ranked as a "Major Airline". While a few rough spots were had in the road to success, AWA (like the fabled Phoenix) rose from the ashes to be a major force in the airline industry.

Thanks to ALL the hard-working AWA employees (past & present) for making us what we are today!!

Now you made it to the top, Bud Light just did a salute to america west pilots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qben5MLmtXo

 

[EastUS1]

Yes, something to be proud of.

http://scabsr.us/duw1.htm

In fairness Claxon....There are some decent and fully respectable, actual Pilots out west...They just aren't among the laughable, "thilly widdle thpartans" that post here. 😉 "I'll let the courts do my talking for me" isn't universally representative of the very best at least a few of the AWA guys could rise to....But it certainly IS the very best their posters here, and their mighty "rep" can ever amount to. 😉