August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[luvthe9]

She didn't t want a spanking like Wake got.

 

[Piedmont1984]

If you think about it, having the trial in Sept is not good news for the west, not in light of the DOJ action. The merger (at the very least) is now delayed. Which means single carrier status petition is also delayed. Which means USAPA will be around in full force and effect to appeal any negative ruling from Silver to the 9th. The rationale from AOL and LCC was to wrap this up. Might have worked if the trial was after the POR. Instead it's bought USAPA more time. Unless Silver dismisses in Sept, the 9th will decide this case. Just my opinion.

 

[algflyr]

From the transcript:

"THE COURT: And I know what you asked for the last time, and I think I may not have persuaded you that I -- that I couldn't do that, but you heard what I said about it, and I don't think I can force the Nicolau Award on -- on whatever bodies are -- or whatever parties, stakeholders there are in this case. But so independent of that, what would be the remedy that you would be asking for and that I could enforce as a matter of law?.."

So, Judge Silver is again seeking guidance from the attorneys on what she will do. Notice she said she doesn't "think" she can force the Nicolau. She didn't' say she wouldn't.

Umm... She actually DID say she wouldn't... Read it a little closer... You took her "think" out of context...

 

[Metroyet]

Yeah, the hell with integrity. Marty is a hypocrite and you are more than happy to burst a blood vessel. Do you spit and slobber on your key board when you type with such emotion?

May I suggest a black light lava lamp and a "peaceful beach waves" sound machine for your office.

At what exact point did you begin caring about, "Integrity"? Curious timing...

 

[snapthis]

Dear DriveBy,

You can run away if you like. Hit and run drive by.

You chose to engage the point of Marty's hypocrisy by deflecting the issue to silly things of colors, caps, exclamation points, and repeating posts. He's a hypocrite in open court. Just admit it.

Marty Harper took exception to Silver asking him to project through all the contingencies, yet he himself is petitioning Silver to do just that.. project through all the contingencies to find harm, and then speculate on a remedy that will prevent the speculative harm. He won't even do what he wants the jude to do. Hypocrites.

Do another drive by, run away, or keep repeating posts and complain about caps, colors, etc.

Dear Dolt,

My colors don't run.

Parker handed us a mess and we are trying to clean it up.

There you go. I said it. Cleaning up your mess. Is that the answer you were looking for?

Tell FL 034 to grab a mop. He has Wal-Mart experience but not as a greeter. He scares the kids.

 

[Pi brat]

"SCHEDULING ORDER
USAPA seeks to delay this case. But in the context of airline travel, a delay is never
welcomed. The case will continue as set forth below."

You we're saying PI Brat?

That the Judge said it was ripe so how could any party change it's tune now? Get it this time?

And you never answered my question about why you care, after saying you would answer any question.

 

[Phoenix]

At what exact point did you begin caring about, "Integrity"? Curious timing...

I've always wanted you and the court to have integrity. Assuming I may have stopped is no excuse.

 

[end_of_alpa]

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA
Don Addington, et al.,
Plaintiffs,
vs.
US Airline Pilots Association, et al.,
Defendants.
No. CV-13-00471-PHX-ROS
SCHEDULING ORDER
USAPA seeks to delay this case. But in the context of airline travel, a delay is never
welcomed. The case will continue as set forth below.
Accordingly,
IT IS ORDERED no later than August 20, 2013 Defendant US Airline Pilots
Association shall respond to the motion to quash. The reply shall be filed no later than
August 22, 2013.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED the parties shall comply with the following schedule.
A. All proceedings concerning this case shall be in accordance with the Federal
Rules of Civil Procedure.
B. All Initial Disclosures as defined in FRCP 26(a)(1) were due no later than
August 6, 2013.
C. To satisfy the requirements of FRCP 26(a)(1), the parties shall file with the
Clerk of the Court a Notice of Initial Disclosure, rather than copies of the actual disclosures.
D. Procedural motions including Motions to Amend the Complaint or Answer,
and Motions to Join Additional Parties were due no later than August 5, 2013.
Case 2:13-cv-00471-ROS Document 160 Filed 08/16/13 Page 1 of 5
E. The Plaintiffs shall disclose the identity of all persons who may be used at
trial to present evidence under Federal Rules of Evidence (FRE) 701, 702, 703, 704 and 705
no later than August 16, 2013. The Defendants shall disclose the identity of all persons
who may be used at trial to present evidence under FRE 701, 702, 703, 704 or 705 no later
than August 23, 2013. To the extent that either party intends to call any persons for
rebuttal purposes who will present evidence under Federal Rules of Evidence (FRE) 701,
702, 703, 704 and 705, the disclosures provided for hereunder shall be made not later than
August 30, 2013.........

Judge Silver IS going to find for the Plaintiffs. That much is clear. She has broken more RLA law and defies the Ninth Circuit. That much is very clear. Szymanski really screwed up....AGAIN. He is not good at thinking on his feet and is not very good in trial court litigation. Not that Harper and Siegal are Perry Mason. It's just that this court has become a joke and with the merger in question the only thing Silver is doing is making matters worst.

What a shame.

 

[end_of_alpa]

If you think about it, having the trial in Sept is not good news for the west, not in light of the DOJ action. The merger (at the very least) is now delayed. Which means single carrier status petition is also delayed. Which means USAPA will be around in full force and effect to appeal any negative ruling from Silver to the 9th. The rationale from AOL and LCC was to wrap this up. Might have worked if the trial was after the POR. Instead it's bought USAPA more time. Unless Silver dismisses in Sept, the 9th will decide this case. Just my opinion.

That IS a fact. It is truly unfortunate that Silver is an activist judge that has no understanding of the law. Clinton appointee. No surprise there.

 

[Claxon]

Judge Silver IS going to find for the Plaintiffs. That much is clear. She has broken more RLA law and defies the Ninth Circuit. That much is very clear. Szymanski really screwed up....AGAIN. He is not good at thinking on his feet and is not very good in trial court litigation. Not that Harper and Siegal are Perry Mason. It's just that this court has become a joke and with the merger in question the only thing Silver is doing is making matters worst.

What a shame.

The America West drug running chief pilots, director of flt ops were sheltered by the AZ courts. Expect the same for the Leonidas group. She will string this as far as she can. Just be prepared to take her to the 9th for a good spank like you did with Wake.
Someone please check on Cleardirect.

 

[Claxon]

1991 Grim Reaper's year -Danny Casolaro and the Temple Murders



http://www.apfn.net/dcia/scandal.html
Excerpt:
I found the America West Airline drug trafficking trial fascinating. Patrick Thurston, Vice President of Operations, America West, Bob Russell, Chief of Pilots, and Carl Wobser, a captain, all pleaded guilty to multiple counts of narcotics trafficking. They had purchased a DC 6 and embarked upon a career in the drug trade. Unfortunately for them their plane, which they maxed out electronically, had chronic engine problems which required them to touch down unexpectedly in several countries. This was more than embarrassing, since they had not filed flight plans.
On one such emergency stop in Aruba, on the way back from Columbia, their plane was found packed with marijuana. There is reason to believe that their intended cargo was cocaine and that after a mix-up they did not wish to fly back empty. Despite the lofty positions these men held with America West, they seemed to have no difficulty getting time off for their drug flights, and America West wanted to rehire Russell after his six months in the Federal country club at Safford.
Twenty percent of the stock of America West was owned by Ansett Airlines of Australia and 55% of Ansett was held by Sir Peter Ables and Rupert Murdock. We know from Jonathan Kwitny 's book, the Crimes of Patriots, that Burny Houghton, perhaps the key figure in the founding of the CIA drug money laundering bank Nugan-Hand in Australia, had coffee with Sir Peter Ables the night of his first day in Australia.

 

[Claxon]

No wonder the Franke management team of today takes care of identity thieves and assaults the legally elected bargaining agent. America West management has engaged in protecting lawbreakers for decades.

 

[exB717Flyer]

If you think about it, having the trial in Sept is not good news for the west, not in light of the DOJ action.

Wow, if you're right you must be smarter than both Marty Harper and Bob Siegal. Enjoy your new career and remember to take the LSAT before applying to law schools.

It warms my heart when Easties deride the Leonidas lawyers. That means it's getting to them.

Remind me, what ever happened to that USAPA lawyer Bradford hired to tell him switching unions nullifies binding arbitration?

 

[prechilill]

That the Judge said it was ripe so how could any party change it's tune now? Get it this time?

And you never answered my question about why you care, after saying you would answer any question.

You are so dense. The whole transcript discussed exactly why a motion was considered to dismiss without prejudice. It has to do with the DOJ lawsuit- there was serious consideration to cancel the 9/24 court date because if there is no merge there is no MOU.
Once again, no merger means no MOU. Yesterday's decision has nothing to do with "not being able to change tune" but rather if there is reason enough to move forward with the trial. At the end of the day there was enough reason to move forward as scheduled. Sorry, you lose again.

 

[snapthis]

Wow, if you're right you must be smarter than both Marty Harper and Bob Siegal. Enjoy your new career and remember to take the LSAT before applying to law schools.

It warms my heart when Easties deride the Leonidas lawyers. That means it's getting to them.

Remind me, what ever happened to that USAPA lawyer Bradford hired to tell him switching unions nullifies binding arbitration?

In other words, attempting to cheat a process by forming the US Airlines Pilots Association.

There is a common trait with cheats like Usapians. They have the abiity in reducing their cognitive dissonance.

"Self-justification often comes into play when discussing why individuals make “immoral” decisions. To keep viewing themselves in a positive light, individuals may rationalize unethical or corrupt decision-making using the aforementioned self-justification strategies.

In a 1958 study on cheating, Mills administered a test to a sixth grade class that was impossible to pass without cheating. Before the test, he measured each student’s attitudes toward cheating. He then gave the 6th graders the test without supervision but with a hidden camera in the classroom. Half of the class cheated and half didn’t. Mills then measured each student’s attitude towards cheating after the test. He found that the students who did cheat developed a more lenient attitude towards cheating while the students who did not cheat developed stronger attitudes against cheating.[8]

In Mills’ study, self -justification occurred. After each student decided whether or not to cheat, they justified this decision to make themselves feel good. In order to reduce their cognitive dissonance, the students that did cheat altered their thoughts on cheating: i.e.- “cheating isn’t that bad” or “cheating was required in order to achieve the prize” - to justify their actions. On the other hand, students that did not cheat may have justified a lack of success on the test to: “I have too good of morals to cheat” or “Cheating is never right.” In both instances, the student is trying to justify their actions and retain their self-concept.

This experiment shows potential dangers of self-justification. It seems that people who partake in unethical behavior may become slightly more accepting and comfortable with their actions."

Source:

^ Mills, J. (1958). Changes in moral attitudes following temptation. Journal of Personality