August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

It kind of went down like this, maybe worse.....Trying to undo the Nicolau...And the west did it to themselves which makes it that much better! Metroyet will not be around for quite a while after this one.

Please repost this one again every now and then... as often as the one about pilots advertising the joy of flying in Australia.

 

[flyer63]

You worked for team tempe for 12 years? I thought you were an Eastie. Team Tempe ran America West Airlines through 2005 (that's only 8 years ago), until America West Holdings bought US Air.

You could have had a first JCBA in 2007, but your AAA leadership pulled out from talks. Then the USAPA brain trust had the brilliant idea to change collective bargaining agents. That's why your tailpipe hurts.

You could of had a contract if you were willing to sit down and negotiate a settlement to the NIC... But instead your leadership pulled out from talks.

 

[EastUS1]

You could of had a contract if you were willing to sit down and negotiate a settlement to the NIC... But instead your leadership pulled out from talks.

Indeed. Some "leadership"...a greasy-haired, self-styled (you just couldn't make this up) "supreme commander" of an imaginary "army" of supposed "spartans"....Words just fail me here.....

PS: To lynyrdskynyrd, who I see online, and all actually sane west folks: I mean no personal offence.

 

[Metroyet]

The merger is very, very doubtful. How do you stall and keep the troops happy during the holidays? Ask to schedule a court trial right up to the holidays. A ten business day trial starting Novermber 12th ends right before Thanksgiving and will not be ruled on untill the middle of January.

January, "sorry guys, the big bad wolf is the DOJ and USAPA for not backing us. No equity for AMR pilots, no retro pay for others."

Anyone that backs the company now is just helping them stall. Does anyone have a good holiday egg nog recipe?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/american-airlines-us-airways-seek-210319320.html

Damn you're stupid.

 

[EastUS1]

Damn you're stupid.

A predictably most "intelligent", "erudite" and indeed "insightful" posting. Small wonder that you ally with self-styled, and entirely denizens of purely Fantasyland...umm...."spartans". 🙂

 

[mrbreeze]

Damn you're stupid.

Keep practicing......soon you will be able to just proclaim, "FUK YOU" over and over. I mean....it makes as much sense as anything you have said so far. breeze

 

[end_of_alpa]

Damn you're stupid.

Spoken like Dave Simmons & the West Pilot AOL lackeys that they are.

 

[cltrat]

I take it back, Res Judicata is the tall tale king, then Dave.

does Res Judicata mean a prediction gone wrong?

 

[Res Judicata]

does Res Judicata mean a prediction gone wrong?

Pretty sure Silver is dragging you scabs to trial kicking and screaming. Sept. 24th ring a bell?

 

[cactusboy53]

You could of had a contract if you were willing to sit down and negotiate a settlement to the NIC... But instead your leadership pulled out from talks.

Huh. Be willing to sit down and negotiate away from the final and binding arbitration. The process that all parties agreed upon. Only doing so because the LARGER pilot group thinks "it's not fair!".

Sorry. Not gonna happen. Parker or the courts will finish this. The blame is still on USAPA. SYIC.

 

[EastUS1]

Huh.

Parker or the courts will finish this.

Yes, yes indeed. Keep those knee pads and pom poms working for "you'se" best-friend-forever-"doug". Truly; "stupid is as stupid does"...and "Huh" is indeed your most appropriate response.

 

[Piedmont1984]

In a narrow context, the old adage that 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' still applies. Parker has never been our friend, but he is engaged in a fight with Eric Holder's DOJ which seeks to slam the barn doors directly on the last horse to emerge, effectively cutting it in half, in order to pursue a misguided and overly activist strategy which threatens our career security and the economic benefits which would have come with this merger.

USAPA's silence on this issue is not the result of prudent and deliberate consultation. Quite the contrary, USAPA is paralyzed. The union leadership (officers and BPR) is immobile, unable to act decisively, or in a timely manner because of past grievances between opposing camps.

The grass roots effort now gaining momentum to help check DOJ's overreach (win or lose) will simply circumvent the circus taking place at USAPA HQ.

Over three quarters of SOME pilot group voted in favor of the MOU which was aggressively promoted by SOME union and officially endorsed by SOME CLT and PHL BPR with the implication that SOME merger was a good thing on balance.

Little late in the game to voice support for the same merger it supported up until two weeks ago, seeing as the stakeholders with any real clout have already spoken. But maybe USAPA can at least support the effort to hold the trial sooner rather than later. If only to get it over with this year.

Probably wishful thinking in my part.

'84

 

[traderjake]

I take it back, Res Judicata is the tall tale king, then Dave.

Says Mr. "Kasher Will Pay".

 

[traderjake]

USAPA's silence on this issue is not the result of prudent and deliberate consultation.

I disagree, McKee is holding the company hostage to get the $400 million we left at the table.

 

[snapthis]

Here's what the company thinks about your "win" in the 9th Circuit.

REPLY BRIEF FOR APPELLANT US AIRWAYS, INC.

IV. CONTRARY TO USAPA’S ASSERTIONS, THE DISTRICT COURT
DID NOT REACH THE UNDERLYING QUESTION OF WHETHER
USAPA IS BOUND BY THE NICOLAU AWARD.
USAPA makes the specious argument that because US Airways did not
Appeal “the district court’s ruling that USAPA is not bound by the Nicolau Award
and is free to negotiate something other than the Nicolau Award,” that “ruling”
should be summarily affirmed. Opp. at 28 n.7.
This argument distorts the district court’s opinion, which did not hold that
USAPA is not bound by the Nicolau Award. To the contrary, the district court
specifically concluded that “[w]hen the collective bargaining agreement is
Case: 13-15000 08/21/2013 ID: 8752008 DktEntry: 31 Page: 19 of 22
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finalized, individuals will be able to determine whether USAPA’s abandonment of
the Nicolau Award was permissible, i.e. supported by a legitimate union purpose.”
ER 8. The court, moreover, cautioned that “the West Pilot Defendants may have
viable legal claims in the future should the collective bargaining agreement contain
a seniority provision harmful to a subsection of the union.” ER 2.
US Airways’ opening brief challenged only the district court’s ruling on
ripeness, because the district court held that the threshold issue of ripeness
prevented it from addressing whether the Nicolau Award is in fact binding on
USAPA under the circumstances of this case. This appeal does not and cannot
present the underlying question of whether USAPA breaches its DFR if it pursues
a non-Nicolau seniority regime because the district court specifically declined to
rule on that question.
CONCLUSION
For the reasons set forth above and in US Airways’ opening brief, this Court
should reverse the judgment below.
Respectfully submitted,
/s/ Robert A. Siegel
Date: August 21, 2013