August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

The ninth ruled on ripeness . If you say we should vote No, we will vote yes by a 97% margin to further our interests. Let the 9th review a ripe claim when it's ripe. No worries.

Marty gave an interview with Ted Reed in February. Here's a portion of the article:

"On Feb. 7, US Airways pilots overwhelmingly approved a memorandum of understanding, setting temporary contract terms that would be implemented in the [background=transparent]event[/background] of a merger. In a Feb. 18 letter to the labor attorneys for US Airways, Leonidas attorney Marty Harper referred to a 2010 finding by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals that the west pilots' claims regarding Nicolau implementation would be "ripe," or ready for a court's consideration, once a contract was signed."

http://www.thestreet...-seniority.html

Merger or not, DOH will not see the light of day on our property and we aren't backing down. That's one thing Ted got right.

Every morning you have been here one more day since your DOH. 😀

 

[snapthis]

Every morning you have been here one more day since your DOH. 😀

And one day closer to retiring and spending more time in Los Cabos. 😀

 

[Phoenix]

Not really. If the merger does not happen,...

THE COURT: If there’s no merger, what case do you have in front
of me?
MR. HARPER [Counsel for Plaintiffs]: Candidly, probably none.
. . . .
MR. HARPER: If – if there is no merger, then the MOU probably is
null and void, and therefore we don’t have a claim under the DFR
for a null and void MOU.
. . . .
THE COURT: f there were no merger, then you don’t have a
case, am I right?
MR. HARPER: I – I would agree with that.

 

[Piedmont1984]

You are the one that is confused and unsure of yourself. Careful walking by any dogs, they sense this more than humans, they will bite you when they smell fear.

Hey speaking of fear, I have an idea. Why don't you show some cojones, PM me with your name (since I have made mine known), and we can make arrangements for me to use you as a fire hydrant.

'84

 

[nic4us]

Duh... we voted in a new union.. quite a long time ago! You know "closed shop"... sole bargaining agent for all pilots of US Airways. Oh here is a novel idea... if the westicles don't they are being fairly represented.... they can always SUE!

Don't worry Sheila, usapa will either show up with the Nic, or be shown the door in short order once single carrier status is granted.

 

[snapthis]

Hey speaking of fear, I have an idea. Why don't you show some cojones, PM me with your name (since I have made mine known), and we can make arrangements for me to use you as a fire hydrant.

'84

 

[Piedmont1984]

To everyone else besides Dog Whisperer, the examples of subsets or subgroups does not apply because those subsets have already been incorporated. That is distinct from the west group which remains unincorporated. Our integration with the west is unfinished and consequently our situation more resembles two unmerged pilot groups under the same union than it does other labor groups who have already gone DOH on this property. Will or will not USAPA present two separate lists if the merger with AA goes forward? And how sure are you that the NMB won't parachute in to inform USAPA exactly what I am warning about?

'84

 

[Metroyet]

To everyone else besides Dog Whisperer, the examples of subsets or subgroups does not apply because those subsets have already been incorporated. That is distinct from the west group which remains unincorporated. Our integration with the west is unfinished and consequently our situation more resembles two unmerged pilot groups under the same union than it does other labor groups who have already gone DOH on this property. Will or will not USAPA present two separate lists if the merger with AA goes forward? And how sure are you that the NMB won't parachute in to inform USAPA exactly what I am warning about?

'84

Regardless of any conceived process, USAPA will NOT dictate the terms of SLI. Hiding behind a fake union hasn't fooled anyone and it will never be used as the weapon you were told it was going to be.

The West owes USAPA absolutely nothing. USAPA on the other hand....SYIC.

 

[Phoenix]

To everyone else besides Dog Whisperer, the examples of subsets or subgroups does not apply because those subsets have already been incorporated. That is distinct from the west group which remains unincorporated. Our integration with the west is unfinished and consequently our situation more resembles two unmerged pilot groups under the same union than it does other labor groups who have already gone DOH on this property. Will or will not USAPA present two separate lists if the merger with AA goes forward? And how sure are you that the NMB won't parachute in to inform USAPA exactly what I am warning about?

'84

Employees have the right to petition the NMB for an election to resolve a representational dispute. There is no other way to secure a legally certified bargaining agent.

 

[Phoenix]

Regardless of any conceived process, USAPA will NOT dictate the terms of SLI. Hiding behind a fake union hasn't fooled anyone and it will never be used as the weapon you were told it was going to be.

The West owes USAPA absolutely nothing. USAPA on the other hand....SYIC.

You are absolutely correct that USAPA will NOT dictate the terms of SLI. They will NEGOTIATE the SLI. NEGOTIATE. IF THERE IS EVEN A MERGER, IF, IF, IF, IF... 😀

The West on the other hand is asking the Judge to DICTATE the negotiating position of USAPA in the SLI (before it is even certain there will be a negotiation!), and in the alternative the West is asking the Judge to DECERTIFY the bargaining representatives of all USAirways pilots, and to APPOINT/CERTIFY replacement representatives without an election.

Wake wasn't even close to being this brilliant.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Employees have the right to petition the NMB for an election to resolve a representational dispute. There is no other way to secure a legally certified bargaining agent.

They think that Silver is a god who has authority to do anything she pleases. (Sounds like maybe she thinks so, too.) Unless Silver can find a Constitutional reason to override the RLA, there's nothing she can do about representation in negotiations.

 

[Reed Richards]

To everyone else besides Dog Whisperer, the examples of subsets or subgroups does not apply because those subsets have already been incorporated. That is distinct from the west group which remains unincorporated. Our integration with the west is unfinished and consequently our situation more resembles two unmerged pilot groups under the same union than it does other labor groups who have already gone DOH on this property. Will or will not USAPA present two separate lists if the merger with AA goes forward? And how sure are you that the NMB won't parachute in to inform USAPA exactly what I am warning about?

'84

What part of "single carrier status" did you miss? What is this "incorporated" word you are now using? Both groups are represented by USAPA. Period.
I have a flippant suggestion: US management should enter into negotiations with USAPA on "allowing" the West Class to represent themselves. Those negotiations could include the NMB, in the furtherance of a joint contract. A full member vote would be required on any solutions. But the entry ticket would be US bringing the East up to parity on pay and benefits over the last 7 years. None of this can happen for years, until the litigation has run its course. The NMB will not get near us until then. RR

 

[snapthis]

Regardless of any conceived process, USAPA will NOT dictate the terms of SLI. Hiding behind a fake union hasn't fooled anyone and it will never be used as the weapon you were told it was going to be.

The West owes USAPA absolutely nothing. USAPA on the other hand....SYIC.

That is correct, it will be on our terms. The East will not dictate what is in the best the interests of West pilots.

 

[Reed Richards]

They think that Silver is a god who has authority to do anything she pleases. (Sounds like maybe she thinks so, too.) Unless Silver can find a Constitutional reason to override the RLA, there's nothing she can do about representation in negotiations.

However, she is capable of manipulation of the space time continuum. She chastised Pat for not convening talks that she only thought she ordered in the past. Everyone had to act as if the order was actually given! She ordered something to become “fact.” That is power. RR

 

[Portly Dorman]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101029964


Judge approves AMR bankruptcy plan, pending antitrust lawsuit


Published: Thursday, 12 Sep 2013 | 12:02 PM







NEW YORK, Sept 12 (Reuters) - A U.S. bankruptcy judge on Thursday approved AMR Corp's plan to exit bankruptcy, which is subject to resolution of a U.S. government effort to block a proposed merger with US Airways Group Inc.
Judge Sean Lane approved the plan at a hearing in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in New York. It was AMR's third attempt to convince Lane to approve the deal in the face of the Justice Department's lawsuit. At prior hearings, he had expressed uncertainty about approving a plan that might change as a result of settlement talks with the Justice Department.