August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Pi brat]

You cannot win this one either way 🙂 RR

I know. Thing is, I don't dislike the majority of west pilots. As a matter of fact, those I personally know, I like. I just hope the majority that post on here are the minority. ;-)

 

[Reed Richards]

I know. Thing is, I don't dislike the majority of west pilots. As a matter of fact, those I personally know, I like. I just hope the majority that post on here are the minority. ;-)

[font="Arial""]I have found them most all to be in person great guys. But I warn you, when it comes to matters of this integration, what you are reading here goes to the top, throughout their entire organization, to a man. That is my experience. Sad thing is, the few of them here on this forum are just not as well-spoken as you and I. RR[/font]

 

[Pi brat]

[font=Arial"]I have found them most all to be in person great guys. But I warn you, when it comes to matters of this integration, what you are reading here goes to the top, throughout their entire organization, to a man. That is my experience. Sad thing is, the few of them here on this forum are just not as well-spoken as you and I. RR[/font]

I have found it to be a little different. I have actually had several west guys tell me that they thought Nicolau missed the mark. But, to a man they feel that the east forced USAPA on them and don't think they have any other choice to back AOL. I understand that, even if I think I would have done something different.

This like the Civil War. Many of us were in the room saying "This isn't going to end well", but we ended up supporting where we came from. Sometimes you have to pick a side, even if you don't completely agree with it.

The best solution would have probably been something completely different, but the circumstances prohibited that. It is what it is.

I will tell you that there are a few west guys that I will defend at least as much as any east guy.

 

[nic4us]

Last DL jumpseat rider I had apologized for ALPA merger policy and said he hated to see "such a bunch of scumbags like AWA pilots get a windfall." No shite. The really crazy part is I defended you guys because of about half a dozen west guys that I know and respect. Not you.

Well, I would have loved to have been on the second jumpseat when that happened!

 

[nic4us]

Then we have no basis to submit two lists under M/B, but I bet we will, because otherwise it's ripe. Two lists, separate ops, separate pay, separate contracts, sounds like two separate classes to me.

But what do I know since I don't have a clue.

It is already ripe...usapa and the company negotiated a non-Nic contract.

 

[Reed Richards]

Well, I would have loved to have been on the second jumpseat when that happened!

Keep dreaming, and keep driving that lav truck and you might be able to pay for enough flight hours to join us one day! Let me know when you need a letter in the hiring process, I will be happy to provide one. RR

 

[Pi brat]

Well, I would have loved to have been on the second jumpseat when that happened!

I think you would have been happy with my reply to him.

I've wondered how many west guys would have defended me the same.

I know a couple that would.

 

[nic4us]

What do you call a subset of pilots who work under a different contract, pay, equipment and domicile from the rest of us?

I'm thinking of a word that rhymes with brass.

Legal can of worms? YGTBSM, we live on a worm farm.

A: A Scale!

The worm thing is funny. it gave me this picture of farmer Parker, and boxes filed with dirt and worms, one marked usapa from which he pulls a worm, baits a hook and goes fishing in the merger pond.

 

[Reed Richards]

It is already ripe...usapa and the company negotiated a non-Nic contract.

That logic is going to look might silly in late October, barring a settlement between Parker and the DOJ. Maybe that is why Judge Silver delays, hoping for redemption. RR

 

[nic4us]

Keep dreaming, and keep driving that lav truck and you might be able to pay for enough flight hours to join us one day! Let me know when you need a letter in the hiring process, I will be happy to provide one. RR

Yeah, yeah, funny,,,lav truck,,,haha, ha.

Here is the thing RR. I have been granting jumpseat request for well over two decades. Have had the pleasure of many conversations with OAL pilots. The ironic thing is, and this is aimed a Claxon too, I have never heard a pilot trash say Mesa, or Trans States, or Ryan, or Kallitta or whoever, unless they had worked there prior.

but, I have had numerous pilots say some pretty harsh stuff about the east and the former Airways/us air.

maybe you guys get the same about AWA, I don't know, but if being honest with yourself you don't, well then you might just take a step back and consider what I am saying.

 

[nic4us]

That logic is going to look might silly in late October, barring a settlement between Parker and the DOJ. Maybe that is why Judge Silver delays, hoping for redemption. RR

Not really. If the merger does not happen, that does not change the fact that the MOU was negotiated sans Nic.

 

[nic4us]

I think you would have been happy with my reply to him.

I've wondered how many west guys would have defended me the same.

I know a couple that would.

I would not have said anything....well I might have asked him if he worked at Western!

 

[CaptChill]

Class status recognizes the reality that we have two lists, effectively two separate classes. Each class should be afforded the right to speak on its own behalf, or so I would think. USAPA wants it both ways, separate operations with all of its attendant benefits including the recognition of two separate lists, while at the same time insisting we are all one class when it comes to the issue of DOH. I see a logical disconnect. We never got to joint operations - and that also means we never got to a joint seniority regime. What am I missing?

Duh... we voted in a new union.. quite a long time ago! You know "closed shop"... sole bargaining agent for all pilots of US Airways. Oh here is a novel idea... if the westicles don't they are being fairly represented.... they can always SUE!

 

[767one]

I have to tell you Bob, I grew up with PI, so I wasn't happy with the US/PI merger. But, my Dad is a much wiser guy than me and he told me that I had to get over it. He said I know worked for US and I owed it to them, if I took their money, to make it the best I could. I did my best and will never regret his advice.

Many forget that at one time US Air had the strongest balance sheet in the US airline industry. Things change and companies have to adapt, but some of the very best folks I have worked with came from US Air.

Pi brat,

I would say the same about the folks that I worked with over the years from all the merger partners. It saddens me when I think about the mudslinging that went on and goes on over the mergers.

Bob

 

[Portly Dorman]

Do the math west pilots. Add up loa 93 vs your pay. Do not forget recent upgrades, wide body pay and move to block holder.

Please do not forget to add pbgc 2400/mo.for life after 60. Good luck.

By the way west scabs, thanks for going to all dougs meetings since 2007 and accusing East pilots of slowing down.

http://web.mit.edu/a...nd Copilots.pdf

Claxypad-

You keep posting this chart. You seem to be relish those glory days of highest pay to the last day. What has life been for the last 10+ years? The retirement is a fraction of what it used to be. And you're losing buying power daily. That PBGC $$ is retirement, not daily operating $$. Are you in the $6k club??

So you made huge money in the 90's, you got that all spent yet? I've heard the stories, 2 kids in college, third one goes soon and no money for that. Ex-wives, BK, etc. is life really that good? Which is it? I'm confused.

The only one who have gained are the leaders, sucking from the teat of the association, in their mexican beach front pad, lounging on the lake in NH or in the high country of AZ.

Yes, you had the highest pay, 20 years ago. Spirit makes more than LOA93 rates.....

And what's this fascination with all the ALPA links?? I've learned in the last 8 years everything ALPA is bad...like the ALPA contract you HAD, unlike the 90 day wonder contract Bradham's pilot club has provided. Maybe we need another safety campaign to show the company who's boss.

Remember what Mikey said....No ALPA integration have ever been over turned