August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

Right, my position is different from the west's position on the MOU. You did not come out in favor of my position. We agree on that.

You have worse ADD/HD than Clear and Nic. 🙂

 

[dca319]

"Frivolous", "cannot be taken seriously", "USAPA didn't listen" - sounds like we've get AoL on the run.

 

[Phoenix]

From what I'm hearing it sounds like Silver just handed USAPA it's ass on a platter. Class certification, depositions tossed, and the company is in.

She is much smarter than Wake ever hoped to be. She is clearly proceeding to trial without Article III jurisdiction on a pillow whisper promise from DUI that he and the DOJ will be love birds by the middle of October.

She didn't even find direct and immediate harm to the plaintiff but had the dubious outburst on Aug 15 that she had no intent to even consider immediate and direct harm to the plaintiff UNTIL the trial. MUCH smarter than Wake!!!

Her decision to quash the defendant's right to discovery and her decision to allow the company (negotiating adversary) the right to have access to internal union confidential information will be two amendments to the Writ of Mandamus.

Where are the West cries for Integrity Matters?!

 

[Claxon]

Might want to check with judge Conrad in NC on that one. Violating status quo and conducting illegal job actions was proven in federal court, or did you forget you are under a permanent injunction?

Your scab west pilots stood up in doug parkers pilot meetings in phx and accused East pilots of that many times scab. False accusations. Or tell everyone your facts that the East pilots were trying to have a slow down.

 

[Claxon]

"Frivolous", "cannot be taken seriously", "USAPA didn't listen" - sounds like we've get AoL on the run.

Yes, of course, we have heard that many times from your scabs.

 

[nic4us]

Name one act of the East pilots. west pilots win for illegal acts. You're the new village idiot imho.

I will name three.

1. illegal job action, found guilty and under permanent injunction.

2. Where did Mowery's laptop go, and why did it need to go missing?

3. filed frivolous lawsuit alleging RICO activity against an AZ LCC in an attempt to bankrupt said group.

4. Usacba president evicted MIGS from an open union meeting...totally against the law!

5. assault charge filed for violence in the uscaba offices, against SEC/TRES.


Wait, that is five and I said three, I could keep going, but will stop now and remind the board that,

1. The Nic is still the only accepted system seniority list at LCC.

And

2. Silver did indeed Quash uscaba.

 

[Claxon]

Tell scab mike daley, he is going to have a little harder time gaining seniority by just crossing a picket line and accusing pilots of a slowdown. first in the video, america west pilot mike daley trys to recruit other scabs. Eddie Chandler, america west pilot scab is in the video later also, not only scabbing but recruiting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5t5aE0iW4o

 

[nic4us]

Your scab west pilots stood up in doug parkers pilot meetings in phx and accused East pilots of that many times scab. False accusations. Or tell everyone your facts that the East pilots were trying to have a slow down.

Um....you really are an idiot.....

The fact are in the judgement from the North Carolina Court that put a permanent injunction on the pilot group.

And, BTW, since the scab union filed a false RICO charge against J Mac, I think you are getting off easy if he only complains to Parker about your illegal behavior!

 

[Claxon]

I will name three.

1. illegal job action, found guilty and under permanent injunction.

2. Where did Mowery's laptop go, and why did it need to go missing?

3. filed frivolous lawsuit alleging RICO activity against an AZ LCC in an attempt to bankrupt said group.

4. Usacba president evicted MIGS from an open union meeting...totally against the law!

5. assault charge filed for violence in the uscaba offices, against SEC/TRES.


Wait, that is five and I said three, I could keep going, but will stop now and remind the board that,

1. The Nic is still the only accepted system seniority list at LCC.

And

2. Silver did indeed Quash uscaba.

provide proof of any of your above claims.

 

[Claxon]

"IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF ARIZONA
US Airways, Inc.,
Plaintiff,
vs.
Don Addington, et al.,
Defendants.
))))))))))
No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS
AMENDED JUDGMENT
(to add description of class)
Pursuant to the Court’s resolution of the motions for summary judgment,
IT IS ORDERED Counts I and III of the complaint are dismissed and judgment is
entered in favor of US Airline Pilots Association on Count II of the complaint. US Airline
Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach its duty of fair representation
provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose. This judgment is binding on the
following class: “All pilots employed by US Airways in September 2008 who were on the
America West seniority list on September 20, 2005.”

DATED this 4th day of December, 2012."

Judge Silver

 

[Reed Richards]

I don't buy the West Class assertion that it was necessary to sue in Addington I, for any reason including some sort of perceived legal deadline. If indeed the NIC was actually final and binding then they should have allowed USAPA to go forward, get a contract, and then sue. They did it bass ackwards, suing before ripeness and costing themselves (and of course the East) better working conditions. The fact we are still with no nic AND no pay raises is proof enough the strategy was failed. And yet they continue to tell us something is final and binding that legally has proven and proven NOT to be. I do agree with Nic4us about the injunction. The work action was illegal, stupidly executed, and unnecessary. But I personally had no more part of that fiasco than he did. RR

 

[Claxon]

america west pilots, hypocritical scabs.

http://www.prnewswir...e-70835837.html

 

[Claxon]

Love the quote in the above america west article.

"Founded in 1983 and proudly celebrating its 20-year anniversary in 2003,
America West Airlines is the nation's second largest low-fare airline and the
only carrier formed since deregulation to achieve major airline status.
Today, America West serves 92 destinations in the U.S., Canada and Mexico."

http://web.mit.edu/a...T PERSONNEL.htm

 

[Phoenix]

I don't buy the West Class assertion that it was necessary to sue in Addington I, for any reason including some sort of perceived legal deadline. If indeed the NIC was actually final and binding then they should have allowed USAPA to go forward, get a contract, and then sue. They did it bass ackwards, suing before ripeness and costing themselves (and of course the East) better working conditions. The fact we are still with no nic AND no pay raises is proof enough the strategy was failed. And yet they continue to tell us something is final and binding that legally has proven and proven NOT to be. I do agree with Nic4us about the injunction. The work action was illegal, stupidly executed, and unnecessary. But I personally had no more part of that fiasco than he did. RR

I agree that Addington 1 cost everyone but mobs are simply slaves to their own passions.

Wake fueled the fire, the 9th got the car back on the road, but the company yanked a hard left detour and has cost everyone. Passions will remain high (increase?) and the mob will pull itself in all directions for another decade. Seat belt secure.

Oh wait, easy sailing ahead, the company is no longer pursuing money.

 

[Claxon]

america west pilot produced video. Please read the "credits" for the video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_JfNjHPwf8