August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Pi brat]

Time for another quiz. Who wrote:

"Ripeness is a given- all parties of interest except one think so.
Injunction issued by July
POR August 31
West pilots take 330 captain bids in Fall.
USAPA gone by December
A few disgruntled AFO easties try to sue the APA and the company- case goes nowhere. Eventually, interest wanes as the AFOs retire, see the futility in their efforts and realize they need to purchase a small piece of land with a trailer on it to afford retirement.
A sad ending for such a bitter group "

 

[nycbusdriver]

I agree, it looks silly.

I agree. Really looks like crap. And the doofuses that wear that silly hat with the leather jacket look like clowns.

But it's one less thing, i.e. a civilian winter jacket, I have to squeeze into my suitcase.

 

[traderjake]

But it's one less thing, i.e. a civilian winter jacket, I have to squeeze into my suitcase.

What's wrong with wearing an overcoat?

 

[flyer63]

When they closed my base. I went leather, it's a lot easier to slide into a middle seat with the leather on than to figure out how to stuff the overcoat in the overhead. I agree it looks Silly, bot who the f@@@ cares

 

[Piedmont1984]

I don't get it. A pilot wearing a leather jacket is like a scuba diver wearing a wet suit. It's also classic and traditional. You don't see any old aviation movies where they don Columbo style rain coats. And if and when I wear a hat, it's not for style or ego, but to keep my bald head warm in cold weather. You guys in raincoats look just like pilots, except when you wear raincoats 🙂

 

[traderjake]

A pilot wearing a leather jacket is like a scuba diver wearing a wet suit. It's also classic and traditional.

Yeah if you're flying a B17.

I fly program an Airbus, there's nothing traditional about it.

Pretending your a B17 pilot looks silly.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Yeah if you're flying a B17.

I fly program an Airbus, there's nothing traditional about it.

Pretending otherwise looks silly.

I know you don't care much for tradition. It's why you're on the wrong side of the seniority issue 🙂 As for programming, you are still a pilot. Thinking of yourself as only a programmer can end in an Asiana type scenario.

 

[Pi brat]

I don't get it. A pilot wearing a leather jacket is like a scuba diver wearing a wet suit. It's also classic and traditional. You don't see any old aviation movies where they don Columbo style rain coats. And if and when I wear a hat, it's not for style or ego, but to keep my bald head warm in cold weather. You guys in raincoats look just like pilots, except when you wear raincoats 🙂

I wear a wool overcoat, so I look like a F/A. 🙂

It's all about personal preference, if it's allowed. That the point with F/O's wearing their captains jacket-it's allowed so why does the west make a big deal about it? Because a lot if them find issue with anything east.

 

[Res Judicata]

Any JCBA that I've ever seen has a section devoted to seniority, in our case it's S22 - and it's called 'Seniority'. You don't get to sneak in seniority like a Trojan Horse. If we want to settle the issue amongst ourselves, (either before we enter M/B or absent a merger) old rules apply. You must conduct a ratification vote on a JCBA with something in S22 which is in plain sight, or wait for harm and prevail in a unquestionably ripe DFR.

The MOU was a simple bridging agreement. There were entire sections found in a bona fide JCBA that were missing in the MOU, while other provisions were TBD. The Green Book does not reference our seniority.

The MOU is actually called a contingent collective bargaining agreement. Being it's applicable to all pilots at the new American it makes it a Joint agreement as well. You know damn well that you've never looked at the seniority list prior to any contract vote and ever so much as had the idea that the seniority list was ever amendable. You know you don't get to vote on it. It's never been renegotiated and it never will be. Your Seham legal theory has been blasted out of the water. Final and binding. What other sections of the contract did you agree to go through final and binding arbitration? None. Why? You damn well know why. Playing stupid just makes you look bad. We all know what you're trying to do. So does Judge Silver apparently.

 

[traderjake]

As for programming, you are still a pilot. Thinking of yourself as only a programmer can end in an Asiana type scenario.

I manage risk, pretending your a B17 pilot while on the flight deck of an Airbus can end in.........

 

[snapthis]

I wear a wool overcoat, so I look like a F/A. 🙂

It's all about personal preference, if it's allowed. That the point with F/O's wearing their captains jacket-it's allowed so why does the west make a big deal about it? Because a lot if them find issue with anything east.

Pretty simple, Pi.

Most Cactus pilots don't want to be mistaken as being East pilots.

 

[nycbusdriver]

What's wrong with wearing an overcoat?

Jeans, Nikes, and a trenchcoat. There's no need for a "DORK" tattoo on the forehead, then, is there?

 

[Pi brat]

Pretty simple, Pi.

Most Cactus pilots don't want to be mistaken as being East pilots.

I don't think so. If that were the case they wouldn't be so eager to get to our bases. No, I'd say it's more that they have a chip on their shoulder that most of us have been a captain here and they never have been. That or they are ignorant of the FOM. Or wait, it could be that they have nothing better in life to do than to come up with things about the east to xxxxx about.

 

[traderjake]

Jeans, Nikes, and a trenchcoat. There's no need for a "DORK" tattoo on the forehead, then, is there?

Never claimed otherwise, Mr GQ.

 

[Piedmont1984]

The MOU is actually called a contingent collective bargaining agreement. Being it's applicable to all pilots at the new American it makes it a Joint agreement as well. You know damn well that you've never looked at the seniority list prior to any contract vote and ever so much as had the idea that the seniority list was ever amendable. You know you don't get to vote on it. It's never been renegotiated and it never will be. Your Seham legal theory has been blasted out of the water. Final and binding. What other sections of the contract did you agree to go through final and binding arbitration? None. Why? You damn well know why. Playing stupid just makes you look bad. We all know what you're trying to do. So does Judge Silver apparently.

Refresh your memory and read the actual MOU, specifically Section I subsections A and B, which explain what the MOU is, not what you want it to be. The Q&A which the NAC posted also elaborates on what it is and isn't.