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You are part of the problem, not the solution.

Personally I think it is wonderful that the company is paying the president and that he doesn't have to use his sick leave at all. That way he will have a built in vacation already paid for whenever he wants to use it. I've heard the president doesn't normally get paid for vacation time. Neither do I hardly, but at least someone is special and he can tell us to live vicariously through his good fortune. :lol:
 
I have no vote or say either way, here or otherwise. How can I be part of anything? This is all for fun. But if you claim a sea change is coming, then at least have your voting math set. There will simply be no changes to the CBL sent out to the membership without DCA and PHX. RR

PHL reps and pilots? Your thoughts please sir.
 
"This last USAPA meeting was very contentious with a majority of the BPR demanding that Gary Hummel relinquish control of the union and adhere to the Constitution and by-laws as was intended at USAPA's inception. Gary did not want to give up that control, but more and more he has acted as though the BPR is just a side show and all decisions should be made at the executive level.


The 3 PHL BPR Reps and the 3 new CLT Reps have begun the campaign to take back their rightful place in the union and it couldn't come too soon.

Whether by design or just circumstances (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt), Gary Hummel lost track of what USAPA was all about. It is a bottom up union where the members vote for BPR Representation and it's the BPR that makes the decisions. The Executive Branch has it's duties and obligations to follow the Constitution and By-laws and to follow the will of the majority of elected BPR members.

This last go around with the MOU being secretly negotiated with ZERO input by the BPR was the final straw. Once Gary and the Negotiating Committee got the MOU from the company and had the pretty brochures with the talking points all printed up, it was only than that they told the BPR what was in it. Rightfully so, the BPR and most pilots were furious at the process. How did we get the MOU? Could it have been better? What did we miss? How much more could we have received? Gary will tell you nothing, but obviously when the BPR demanded retroactive pay, the company agreed. We will never know how a unified body could have achieved more because it was never offered. The company got what it wanted us to have with no input by our pilots.

Yes, most pilots voted for the MOU because it was basically a done deal by the time the BPR and the pilot group saw the finished product. That vote doesn't justify what happened.

On the issue of Gary Hummel's eligibility to remain President after losing his medical. In another heated debate, Gary's argument was that since the company is paying him and they are not forcing him to use his sick time, he should remain President. The BPR asked the USAPA attorney if Gary could remain President forever under these circumstances with the company paying him but not having a medical, the answer was yes. This is unacceptable and the BPR passed a resolution that Gary has to get his medical back within a year or there will be a new election.

I am not questioning Gary's honesty, but I know I have a problem with Gary remaining in office, not eligible to fly, paid by the company and not having to use his sick time. It gives the appearance of a conflict of interest.

If Gary was forced to leave tomorrow, he would not be able to go back to the line, so it could be argued that he needs to remain in office to keep that paycheck coming in. You or I would be forced to use sick time until it ran out and then long term disability. As long as Gary remains President with the company paying him, he does not have to meet those requirements. It could also be argued that it's human nature to identify with the side that's paying you. I'm sure that is not happening here, but it could give that appearance, especially during negotiations.

If you are going to be a union President, you should be able to perform the duties that the other members of your union perform. That way, you have "skin" in the game. No union officer should be above the requirements that any other member must have to remain at the airline.

The other way the BPR will take back control will be by the staffing of committees that Gary has not done. The By-laws state that the President selects the committee member candidates and the BPR votes on them. By not staffing the committees, the BPR is not given the ability to decide who will be staffing those committees. With proper staffing, the BPR decides who is on the committees and once again takes control.

This last meeting is a big step for establishing the intent of USAPA and I applaud the BPR members for taking it back.

Of course, as usual DCA and PHX BPR Reps sided with Gary. The good news is the PHL and CLT are united so who cares what DCA does. They make themselves irrelevant. "

Why the LIES? The brochure was not ready before the BPR knew AND participated in negotiating content.

The BPR did NOT pass a resolution on Hummels medical. It was TABLED.

LIES. Lies, lies.
 
Why the LIES? The brochure was not ready before the BPR knew AND participated in negotiating content.

The BPR did NOT pass a resolution on Hummels medical. It was TABLED.

LIES. Lies, lies.

American pilots 100,000 plus per pilot equity. The East pilots no pairity in vacation and almost no "retrospective" pay. Your thoughts pleas sir?

This is all moot because there will be no merger.
 
Personally I think it is wonderful that the company is paying the president and that he doesn't have to use his sick leave at all. That way he will have a built in vacation already paid for whenever he wants to use it. I've heard the president doesn't normally get paid for vacation time. Neither do I hardly, but at least someone is special and he can tell us to live vicariously through his good fortune. :lol:

If they cave to Cleary on the blackmail, next in line for payout (in order) is Parrella, Mowrey, Brennon, and then DiOrio. DeWitt may make a run also. Just watch. RR
 
If they cave to Cleary on the blackmail, next in line for payout (in order) is Parrella, Mowrey, Brennon, and then DiOrio. DeWitt may make a run also. Just watch. RR

Yes of course chicken little. hummel is being paid by the company now, no sick time, but you mention others.
 
American pilots 100,000 plus per pilot equity. The East pilots no pairity in vacation and almost no "retrospective" pay. Your thoughts pleas sir?

This is all moot because there will be no merger.

Agreed about the merger. Toast. But the APA guys had 4B in the bank going into the BK, I would argue the entire BK was about preserving that treasure. Having watched us and others flounder, the APA guys did a great job protecting equity. The entire BK at AMR was about squashing the lump sum payouts to APA pilots. They were smart enough to get some equity in return, and brave enough to use a sick out "at the right time" last year to milk a little more. Too bad a little short man blew his wad early, otherwise we could have joined them before going to MOU talks. So sad, so par for the course for this pilot group. RR
 
If they cave to Cleary on the blackmail, next in line for payout (in order) is Parrella, Mowrey, Brennon, and then DiOrio. DeWitt may make a run also. Just watch. RR

Anyone the West hates should be paid double. :lol:

But I am curious.... is FPL for flights you would have otherwise flown but for union duty, or is FPL for being unqualified to fly flights you would have otherwise flown? And so what kind of money is the company paying his salary with? Maybe the BPR should just pay his salary out of union dues so there is no unseemly appearances. Just saying. 🙂
 
Agreed about the merger. Toast. But the APA guys had 4B in the bank going into the BK, I would argue the entire BK was about preserving that treasure. Having watched us and others flounder, the APA guys did a great job protecting equity. The entire BK at AMR was about squashing the lump sum payouts to APA pilots. They were smart enough to get some equity in return, and brave enough to use a sick out "at the right time" last year to milk a little more. Too bad a little short man blew his wad early, otherwise we could have joined them before goint to MOU talks. So sad, so par for the course for this pilot group. RR

APA pilots kept their pension because of the USAPA pension investigation, PBGC told amr to pound. Sick out time is illegal sir and any other show of a sack with eggs. The west pilots reported to doug every day and they accused the East pilots of this in the past many times.

Shake hands with the west pilots all you want.
 
American pilots 100,000 plus per pilot equity. The East pilots no pairity in vacation and almost no "retrospective" pay. Your thoughts pleas sir?

This is all moot because there will be no merger.

The hummel dynasty.
 
APA pilots kept their pension because of the USAPA pension investigation, PBGC told amr to pound. Sick out time is illegal sir and any other show of a sack with eggs. The west pilots reported to doug every day and they accused the East pilots of this in the past many times.

Shake hands with the west pilots all you want.

No, the APA guys got a better deal with their pensions because of EVERYTHING that came before them, including our failures. I despise the West Class more than you will know, but I will say this. Their reps are a heck of lot more unified and logical in defending the needs of their pilots than any of ours are (my friends included.) If I were a rep for USAPA, and I never have been, I would be reaching out to the West reps if I thought there was any chance of bettering my own pilots. Your child like attempts to paint me as PHX lover are silly. And as a final jab tonight, at least the PHX pilots show up to vote in elections, unlike the CLT pilots. RR
 
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