August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Reed Richards]

"Unanamously" are you kidding try the usual 6 to 5, the retrospective pay is the only thing that made it unamimous, and that's because of the CLT and 2 PHL reps.

I am confused. They either voted to send the MOU out or they did not. It was unanimous. Period. Any SINGLE rep could have tanked the deal. Anyone. Yet you bemoan the fact there were no guaranteed benefits if the merger did NOT happen, and blame the Officers, Legal, and the NAC for allowing that. And CLT did not "get" the retrospective pay. But they were happy to give their vote of approval crowing they did. That is a story for another day. RR

 

[traderjake]

Yeah, every pilot with the APA is dying to implement the Nic because of it is abundantly clear their is no windfall to anyone.

I don't know about every pilot but APA doesn't care if the pilot senior to you is East or West.

You should try talking to some of them.

 

[snapthis]

Yeah, every pilot with the APA is dying to implement the Nic because of it is abundantly clear their is no windfall to anyone.

Funny thing, everytime I talk with an AA pilot, the Nic never comes up.

I don't think they are that concerned one way or the other.

 

[traderjake]

You would guess wrong. Its in the eye of the majority.

You're wrong, it's in the eyes of the courts or the next arbitration panel.

 

[Pi brat]

I don't know about every pilot but APA doesn't care if the pilot senior to you is East or West.

I would think that they would rather have the, on average, older pilots senior to them.

 

[snapthis]

I don't know about every pilot but APA doesn't care if the pilot senior to you is East or West.

You beat me to it. The same time. 10:29

 

[traderjake]

You beat me to it. The same time. 10:29

I'm not PI brat, you can have it.

 

[Phoenix]

You're wrong, it's in the eyes of the courts or the next arbitration panel.

No I am correct. What you are trying to say is that I will be wrong in the future.

 

[traderjake]

I would think that they would rather have the, on average, older pilots senior to them.

I think on average they want the majority of USAirways pilots junior to them, especially the narrow body First Officers and Reserve Captains regardless of age.

 

[Phoenix]

I would think that they would rather have the, on average, older pilots senior to them.

If Reno is any forecast of what they might prefer, I think one could guess they want EVERYONE junior to them.

 

[Phoenix]

I think on average they want the majority of USAirways pilots junior to them, especially the narrow body First Officers regardless of age.

Are you projecting your own feelings again? Not that there is anything necessarily wrong with that.

 

[traderjake]

No I am correct. What you are trying to say is that I will be wrong in the future.

I think you have something other than windfall in your eyes and it's clouding your vision 😀 .

 

[Phoenix]

You're wrong, it's in the eyes of the courts or the next arbitration panel.

No I am correct. What you are trying to say is that I will be wrong in the future.

I think you have something other than windfall in your eye and it's clouding your vision 😀 .

Projecting again. 🙂

 

[cactusboy53]

We made a deal to have an arbitrator use the ALPA merger policy. The windfall made it easy for many to forgive him for failing.

Your opinion (as does mine) does not count. Remember what what Judge Silver said last year....

[font="Times New Roman""]“Of course, in negotiating for a particular seniority regime, USAPA must not breach its duty of fair representation. Accordingly, if USAPA wishes to abandon the Nicolau Award and accept the consequences of this course of action, it is free to do so. By discarding the result of a valid arbitration and negotiating for a different seniority regime, USAPA is running the risk that it will be sued by the disadvantaged pilots when the new collective bargaining agreement is finalized. An impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Discarding the Nicolau Award places USAPA on dangerous ground.”[/font]
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[font="Times New Roman""]Judge Roslyn O. Silver, Chief United States District Judge[/font]

[font="Times New Roman""]No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS ORDER; October 11, 2012[/font]

And here again is what the 9th said...

[font="Arial""]3 [/font][font="Times New Roman""]We do not address the thorny question of the extent to which the Nicolau Award is binding on USAPA. We note, as the district court recognized, that USAPA is at least as free to abandon the Nicolau Award as was its predecessor, ALPA. The dissent appears implicitly to assume that the Nicolau Award, the product of the internal rules and processes of ALPA, is binding on USAPA. [/font]
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[font="Times New Roman""]Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals Opinion[/font]

[font="Times New Roman""]Case: 09-16564 06/04/2010[/font]

Sorry Scotty, but the courts know what USAPA is all about. You have achieved delay at a tremendous cost to us all.

CB

 

[snapthis]

I'm not PI brat, you can have it.

Thanks for clearing that up. Are you Fodase?