August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Piedmont1984]

Fine, I give up. Still feel like the only canary in a coal mine though.

Over & Out

 

[snapthis]

A step in the right direction....

Judge Approves American Airlines' Bankruptcy Plan

By The Associated Press Sep 12, 2013, 12:03 PM
A federal judge is approving American Airlines' plan to emerge from bankruptcy protection and merge with US Airways, although the airlines must still resolve their lawsuit with the federal government, which is trying to block the merger.

A trial over that lawsuit is scheduled for November.

Thursday's ruling by federal bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane in New York provides at least the perception that the merger is still moving forward.

The airlines had originally hoped to close the merger this month and create the world's biggest carrier. They're now shooting for the end of the year if they can settle the antitrust lawsuit or win it in court.

 

[Reed Richards]

One judge approves a bankruptcy exit plan that involves a merger the Government says they will not allow.
Another judge allows a DFR lawsuit based on the same non- merger.
One CEO moves his family to DFW.
Both companies move gate operations at various airports to align ops, one even changes flight numbers.
All that is left is of me to put all my 401K into US Airways and lose it all.
What is wrong with this picture?
I apologize for being so negative following what would normally be good news, but my history in this profession says all the above is for naught.
Had I made predictions month ago as to events that would be fact today, we would have already bombed Syria, the merger would be on, and Apple stock would be going through the roof over the intro of new product. This should give you all pause in considering any of my predictions here. RR

 

[Phoenix]

That is correct, it will be on our terms. The East will not dictate what is in the best the interests of West pilots.

The minority will dictate how it all comes out. 😀

 

[snapthis]

RR, Facebook has been on a nice little run lately, making a kid very rich.

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[snapthis]

The minority will dictate how it all comes out. 😀

At least with Leonidas we carry a big stick.

Sorry, no carrot at the end of the stick, only pain.

 

[Claxon]

The ninth ruled on ripeness . If you say we should vote No, we will vote yes by a 97% margin to further our interests. Let the 9th review a ripe claim when it's ripe. No worries.

Marty gave an interview with Ted Reed in February. Here's a portion of the article:

"On Feb. 7, US Airways pilots overwhelmingly approved a memorandum of understanding, setting temporary contract terms that would be implemented in the [background=transparent]event[/background] of a merger. In a Feb. 18 letter to the labor attorneys for US Airways, Leonidas attorney Marty Harper referred to a 2010 finding by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals that the west pilots' claims regarding Nicolau implementation would be "ripe," or ready for a court's consideration, once a contract was signed."

http://www.thestreet...-seniority.html

Merger or not, DOH will not see the light of day on our property and we aren't backing down. That's one thing Ted got right.

The east pilots are the ones who won't back down. Threw ALPA off the property, threw out the Nic. Saved Jetz and the UAL pilots.

 

[snapthis]

The east pilots are the ones who won't back down. Threw ALPA off the property, threw out the Nic. Saved Jetz and the UAL pilots.

ALPA is gone today, USAPA may be gone in the near future but Nic stays.

 

[Phoenix]

ALPA is gone today, USAPA may be gone in the near future but Nic stays.

The thing that continually ails you guys is an under appreciation for the necessity of jurisdiction and authority in order to bring your assertions to fruition. Everyone dreams.

 

[snapthis]

The thing that continually ails you guys is an under appreciation for the necessity of jurisdiction and authority in order to bring your assertions to fruition. Everyone dreams.

Litigation has prevented a larger group from obtaining their dream of a DOH seniority list.

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

Litigation has prevented a larger group from obtaining their dream of a DOH seniority list.

Actually the are working under and continue to enjoy one. I know this will elicit a sneer about LOA 93 but every bid a vast majority are enjoying pay and quality of life improvement because of the movement they have due to attrition. They have 2 year pilots flying captain on the E190 making close to the hourly rate of a 12 year west 757 first officer.

 

[Phoenix]

Litigation has prevented a larger group from obtaining their dream of a DOH seniority list.

Leospanker's purpose NEVER was to simply prevent DOH, or otherwise they would have agreed to discuss something else. They have sought to force their own wishes to the exultation of all the other pilots.

USAPA's negotiating strategy is still within their exclusive jurisdiction and authority (i.e. in accordance with the wishes of a majority of all pilots represented.)

Jurisdiction and authority is what ails you. Continue to underestimate their importance and it will be a never ending money pit for Marty.

 

[snapthis]

Jurisdication and authority have kept Usapa in a box.

Marty holds the box cutter.

 

[cactusboy53]

Leospanker's purpose NEVER was to simply prevent DOH, or otherwise they would have agreed to discuss something else. They have sought to force their own wishes to the exultation of all the other pilots.

USAPA's negotiating strategy is still within their exclusive jurisdiction and authority (i.e. in accordance with the wishes of a majority of all pilots represented.)

Jurisdiction and authority is what ails you. Continue to underestimate their importance and it will be a never ending money pit for Marty.

Ah the never ending USAPA journey on the modified Kubler-Ross model. I see we've returned to DENILE (again). It's supposed to be 5 stages linearly, ending with ACCEPTANCE. USAPA is forever circular.

Sorry, the Nicolau seniority list is the final position of an agreed upon process. That IS the compromise. We have no reason or compunction to "negotiate" away from the process that you agreed to (even Seham is telling AMFA this).

Please don't worry how much $$ we are spending on Marty. I assure you he is worth every penny.

 

[traderjake]

US bankruptcy judge approves American Airlines' plan that includes merger with US Airways

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/judge-approves-american-airlines-bankruptcy-160308768.html