August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[Phoenix]

Work something out with "the union"? LOL!!! The very same people that REFUSE to even remotely fairly represent them? Sure. SYIC.

What is it with you guys and your affection for non sequiturs? He said DUI should work out something with USAPA. No wonder Marty is getting rich.

 

[snapthis]

Good point Pi. Post deleted.

I am very familiar with it. I'm familiar with the warnings about certain things being need to know and don't think they should be posted on an public webboard. I didn't quote it, so I suggest you delete it. Bonehead.

It's already been reported to the people who need to know...Dolt(s)

 

[snapthis]

Good point Pi. Post deleted.

Post is still there. That's because it's the truth. Either you comply with the procedures or take a seat in the back.

Get it?

 

[snapthis]

I've got a message for you.....Brat(s).

You can whine, throw your llttle fits, go to the moderators with your lies that I'm Move, DCA or tell your mommies for all I care. You want to silence your critics. You have your trophy, Clear hanging on the wall. You've dished it out for years but don't have the stones to take the heat. I have zero respect for you(s).

There are a lot of West voices that don't visit this forum. It's well more than the 4 or 5. Make that 3 or 4 according to the Brat. So continue the campaign of faux outrage and deception. You will not silence the well deserved criticism.

You'll continue to hear from West pilots in a court of law until we get the justice which has been only delayed.

 

[snapthis]

Well I see all the roaches crawled out of the woodwork with the big "win." All over now, so when do I get paid and when does pre get to bid the 330?

Roaches?

It takes one to know one, nymph.

 

[CaptChill]

Roaches?

It takes one to know one, nymph.

PI I've known you to be one of the more respectful and reasoned East pilots on this forum. Sadly, the Westicles smell what they think is blood in the water and they've gone into "frenzied feeding" mode. My apologies to you sir.

 

[Metroyet]

What is it with you guys and your affection for non sequiturs? He said DUI should work out something with USAPA. No wonder Marty is getting rich.

Yeah. Got it the first time. It's still a joke right? SYAIC.

 

[Phoenix]

Yeah. Got it the first time. It's still a joke right? SYAIC.

Ok. Uh sure. If ya got it then do carry on. 😀

 

[Pi brat]

I've got a message for you.....Brat(s).

You can whine, throw your llttle fits, go to the moderators with your lies that I'm Move, DCA or tell your mommies for all I care. You want to silence your critics. You have your trophy, Clear hanging on the wall. You've dished it out for years but don't have the stones to take the heat. I have zero respect for you(s).

There are a lot of West voices that don't visit this forum. It's well more than the 4 or 5. Make that 3 or 4 according to the Brat. So continue the campaign of faux outrage and deception. You will not silence the well deserved criticism.

You'll continue to hear from West pilots in a court of law until we get the justice which has been only delayed.

I don't know or care who you are. I didn't think your post was appropriate for a public board, as I didn't think '84's was. I suggested that you take it off, I didn't demand it as I have no right. I didn't copy it so that if you decided it wasn't a good idea it wouldn't be in mine.

This had nothing to do with the Nic fight.

 

[Pi brat]

PI I've known you to be one of the more respectful and reasoned East pilots on this forum. Sadly, the Westicles smell what they think is blood in the water and they've gone into "frenzied feeding" mode. My apologies to you sir.

Thanks, same for you. Unfortunately I sometimes let my temper drag me down into the mud. You know what they say about wrestling with pigs...

 

[Portly Dorman]

A judge must reasonably find that a plaintiff's claim plausibly asserts an immediate and direct harm caused by the defendant in order to have jurisdiction by authority of the United States Constitution, which Judge Silver swore an oath to uphold. Judge Silver must ensure the plaintiff explicitly alleges that harm and she must adjudge (not implicitly assume) it to be reasonably plausible BEFORE a trial. Explicit, specific, immediate, and direct harm is a prerequisite of jurisdiction.

At least Wake and Bybee were smart enough to include harm in their analysis, though they made the inexcusable error of implicitly assuming harm... In contrast, Judge Silver has decided she is not bound by the Constitution and is going to trial without explicit identification of harm as a precondition to have a trial, but rather harm is something she might stumble upon AFTER the trial is finished.

From 15 Aug:
THE COURT: Well, I disagree with you on that. If that's your position [that immediate and direct harm is necessary] as to why or why not there is [Article III] jurisdiction, then I -- I disagree with you. Whether or not there's injury is a decision to be made after the case is presented and the defense is presented.

At the risk of pilling on a Judge that is drowning, the Judge does not hold a trial to discover harm, but instead holds trials to lawfully determine if a plausible, explicit claim made by the plaintiff is indeed true, in accordance with strict rules that ensure due process..

Right now, it's doubtful that Judge Silver has enough vowels to spell "due". 😀

Why did Judge Lane approve the BK plan?

The DOJ may win and there is no POR....

 

[Claxon]

It's already been reported to the people who need to know...Dolt(s)

Nice job posting pretty sensitive internal cockpit procedures on a pilot labor board.
And if someone could actually believe a west report of anything now after your numerous crew news false allegations. You use safety as a weapon to fight a labor union with false allegations. Your management sees your numerous jump seat denials. They know how you use it as a weapon. It is known throughout the industry.
Say hi to Cleardirect for us.

 

[snapthis]

Nice job posting pretty sensitive internal cockpit procedures on a pilot labor board.
And if someone could actually believe a west report of anything now after your numerous crew news false allegations. You use safety as a weapon to fight a labor union with false allegations. Your management sees your numerous jump seat denials. They know how you use it as a weapon. It is known throughout the industry.
Say hi to Cleardirect for us.

Yea right, it's pretty stupid to use the unapproved method right there for people to see. This is a pattern of not following our procedures such as single-engine taxi. I brought that up in training last month and the West complies while the East falls far short.

Safety as a weapon? I see things as black and white. Either you are following the procedures or not. It's your side who screams safety to further your objectives with the company. It stinks to high heaven much like your USA Today ad which trashed the company abd resulted in extra training for some East pilots.

What's known around the industry is your attacks on ALPA pilots. I still wear my ALPA pin rather than that USAPA garbage. I don't want to be seen as one of those who busted the union at this airway.

 

[Claxon]

Please furnish your data regarding east pilot single engine taxi and methodology for collection of same.
Was the survey administered by Cat 3 Productions as is most of your "data?"

 

[Claxon]

There is no nic anymore. There was never a promise for a 90 day contract, west, dare you to find proof of that.

I feel the use of histories past struggles to compare it to the west pilots current situation is insensitive to others.

At 2:25 of the following west produced video, the use of a nazi figure is way out of line and a common theme of west produced videos. Look at the Mike Cleary picture durning the entire video, a hitler mustache is put on him. Then at 2:50 you are making fun of an East female pilot because of her age, that is illegal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yti-cfW_OlU

Another Cat3 Production Third Reich themed video.