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And you've spent the last 5 years fighting to keep us on it while the company makes record profits. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hmm...Good point! Sigh!...If only everyone could've just put you, chip and the "army" of leo-loser-"spartans" in charge; I've no doubt AWA, I mean of course "US" would now lead the industry in compensation! 🙂

Carry on, "LT Hardy". 😉
 
And you've spent the last 5 years fighting to keep us on it while the company makes record profits. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I see it bothered you that 1/3 of the pilots were furloughed by something you voted for, else you wouldn't have deleted it. You started your post by focusing on 1/3 being screwed and now you deleted it.... 😛

And you ended your post on the argument that everyone is happy to be on LOA93, but now you seem to be complaining about it. 😛

I'll refer you back to something a wise person once said....

You should have thought of that before you tried to screw one third of the group.

Everyone is happy to stay on LOA 93 so it doesn't matter.

:wub:
 
I see it bothered you that 1/3 of the pilots were furloughed by something you voted for, else you wouldn't have deleted it. You started your post by focusing on 1/3 being screwed and now you deleted it.... 😛

You should have thought of that before you tried to screw one third of the group.

Everyone is happy to stay on LOA 93 so it doesn't matter.

You're letting your delusions get the best of you again.

I haven't deleted anything all night.

You can go back to fighting to keep us on LOA 93.
 
You're letting your delusions get the best of you again.

I haven't deleted anything all night.

You can go back to fighting to keep us on LOA 93.

The Nile again. :lol:

This is all entertaining but just wait and see what happens after the redistribution of wealth really takes hold. At USAPA the majority has been able to prevent the unmerited confiscation of years of DOH at the hands of the minority..(in your mind you can't see that as wealth, but we'll all forget about this little spat soon enough). Our little spat doesn't matter too much really, all the pilots at USAir are eating just fine and paying taxes to a growing mob of folks that will continue to vote in opportunists that will get rich on the practice of redistributing wealth. Management is in good company but they are amateurs. :lol:
 
confiscation of years of DOH at the hands of the minority..(in your mind you can't see that as wealth

Don't spend all your DOH in one place. :lol:

Our little spat doesn't matter too much really, all the pilots at USAir are eating just fine and paying taxes to a growing mob of folks that will continue to vote in opportunists that will get rich on the practice of redistributing wealth.
I agree completely
 
Don't spend all your DOH in one place. :lol:


I agree completely

Is your agreement routed in a consistent principle?

On the one hand, when the president yells, "You didn't build that business." so he can take from land owners to give to the plantation workers, does it set well with you? Probably not as a planation owner... :lol: Owner is such a Bourgeoise word and so outdated, isn't it?

There is a principle that always justifies the lesser to take from the greater. I suppose agreeing with that principle is a matter of which side you sit. 😀
 
September 24, 2013

Leonidas Update

September has been an extremely busy month for the West Pilots and our attorneys. Written discovery was issued by both our side and USAPA, resulting in the production of nearly 400,000 pages of documents. Fifteen West pilots were deposed for up to 4 hours each, with USAPA asking questions focused on opposing class certification, Leonidas finances and SLI fairness. Last week, our attorneys deposed 10 USAPA officers, BPR representatives and committee members over 4 days in Charlotte. The depositions in Charlotte were quite fruitful providing additional evidence to make our case. There is currently a protective order in place that prevents the release of certain documents and transcripts to the public.

By now, most know that the Addington III trial date was moved to October 22 to meet the needs of the court (Doc 174). There have also been a number of legal filings in recent weeks, which are discussed in detail below. Of most importance is Judge Silver’s Order on September 18, 2013, (Doc 194), which resolved the following issues pending before the Court: (1) class certification; (2) the Company’s Motion to Intervene; (3) two motions to quash subpoenas issued to Leonidas relating to USAPA’s request to obtain Leonidas’ financial records; and (4) USAPA’s Motion for Reconsideration.

Class Certification

In a prior order (Doc 122), “the Court instructed USAPA that if it planned on opposing certification in this case, it should present ‘substantially better arguments’ than what it presented in the past.” In Judge Silver’s words, “Unfortunately, USAPA did not listen.” (Doc 194).

As many of you are aware, USAPA has advanced the argument in this litigation that the West Pilots waived their right to pursue the Nicolau award because 98% of West Pilots voted in favor of the MOU. This was one of the arguments that USAPA advanced in opposing class certification. Again, in Judge Silver’s own words: “This argument cannot be taken seriously.” (Doc 194) (emphasis added). With respect to this argument, Judge Silver stated:
During the vote on the MOU, USAPA repeatedly assured all of its members that the vote would have no bearing on adoption of the Nicolau Award. In USAPA’s own words, “no East pilot should vote against the MOU because they fear that ratifying the MOU will implement the Nicolau Award, and no West Pilot should vote for the MOU because they believe the MOU will implement the Nicolau Award.” (Doc 136). In light of this and similar statements during the ratification vote, USAPA’s current position that the vote was a clear statement by the majority of the West Pilots that they are no longer interested in pursuing the Nicolau Award is very close to frivolous. (emphasis added).

In her order, Judge Silver certified the class of West Pilots and appointed Marty, Andy and Jennifer as class counsel. Judge Silver also found that notice was not required given the circumstances of this case and that our attorneys had been certified twice before.

Motion to Intervene

In its pleadings, the Company has indicated that it will only way in on two issues, the ripeness of the West Pilots’ claims against USAPA and the West Pilots’ right to participate in any McCaskill-Bond arbitration. (Doc 128) The West Pilots joined the Company’s Motion to Intervene, which of course USAPA tried to oppose. Last week, the Court once again disagreed with USAPA and granted the Company’s Motion to Intervene.

Leonidas Subpoenas

Over the past several weeks, USAPA has issued two subpoenas to Leonidas, seeking documents and testimony regarding, among other things, Leonidas’ financial records, including information regarding individual donors. Leonidas’ opposed this effort and last week the Court found that “USAPA has not been able to establish the relevance of the information sought by either subpoena.” (Doc 194). The effect of quashing these subpoenas is that Leonidas will not be required to respond to the subpoenas issued by USAPA......,,,

Where are we now?

If anything, the filings by USAPA over the past few weeks are proof to the world that USAPA’s primary strategy is still delay, in a hope to outspend the West and to prevent an adjudication of the DFR claim. This strategy is quite a bit different than the strategy sold to the East pilots back in April of 2008. Remember the confident pronouncements during the USAPA campaign that a DOH contract would be had within 90 days of USAPA’s certification? Fast forward five and a half years and look what USAPA has done to this pilot group, both East and West: cost it over $650 million in wages that it will never get back from the Company. For the sake of all US Airways pilots as we move towards the merger with American, we hope that this will be the end to this saga and that all of us can move forward with better wages.

The West never asked for this fight, but we are where we are. Now, the only thing the West can do is to continue to defend itself against a union whose sole purpose is to advance the seniority of certain East pilots at the expense of the West pilots.


Full update on cactuspilot.com
 
So why all the incessant whining then? 😉
Shouldn't you be challenging someone to some kind of contest? Been almost 2 days since your last pleading. I really hope you finally get some release and gratification, you post like you are all stopped up. But, your particular mania is sad, yet oddly entertaining to watch. Shine on you crazy diamond, we need your entertainment skills.
 
Contest? For all the money you have given Marty he should at least have come up with immediate and direct harm rather than confess to Silver that there is none. :lol:
 
September 24, 2013

Leonidas Update

September has been an extremely busy month for the West Pilots and our attorneys. Written discovery was issued by both our side and USAPA, resulting in the production of nearly 400,000 pages of documents. Fifteen West pilots were deposed for up to 4 hours each, with USAPA asking questions focused on opposing class certification, Leonidas finances and SLI fairness. Last week, our attorneys deposed 10 USAPA officers, BPR representatives and committee members over 4 days in Charlotte. The depositions in Charlotte were quite fruitful providing additional evidence to make our case. There is currently a protective order in place that prevents the release of certain documents and transcripts to the public.

By now, most know that the Addington III trial date was moved to October 22 to meet the needs of the court (Doc 174). There have also been a number of legal filings in recent weeks, which are discussed in detail below. Of most importance is Judge Silver’s Order on September 18, 2013, (Doc 194), which resolved the following issues pending before the Court: (1) class certification; (2) the Company’s Motion to Intervene; (3) two motions to quash subpoenas issued to Leonidas relating to USAPA’s request to obtain Leonidas’ financial records; and (4) USAPA’s Motion for Reconsideration.

Class Certification

In a prior order (Doc 122), “the Court instructed USAPA that if it planned on opposing certification in this case, it should present ‘substantially better arguments’ than what it presented in the past.” In Judge Silver’s words, “Unfortunately, USAPA did not listen.” (Doc 194).

As many of you are aware, USAPA has advanced the argument in this litigation that the West Pilots waived their right to pursue the Nicolau award because 98% of West Pilots voted in favor of the MOU. This was one of the arguments that USAPA advanced in opposing class certification. Again, in Judge Silver’s own words: “This argument cannot be taken seriously.” (Doc 194) (emphasis added). With respect to this argument, Judge Silver stated:
During the vote on the MOU, USAPA repeatedly assured all of its members that the vote would have no bearing on adoption of the Nicolau Award. In USAPA’s own words, “no East pilot should vote against the MOU because they fear that ratifying the MOU will implement the Nicolau Award, and no West Pilot should vote for the MOU because they believe the MOU will implement the Nicolau Award.” (Doc 136). In light of this and similar statements during the ratification vote, USAPA’s current position that the vote was a clear statement by the majority of the West Pilots that they are no longer interested in pursuing the Nicolau Award is very close to frivolous. (emphasis added).

In her order, Judge Silver certified the class of West Pilots and appointed Marty, Andy and Jennifer as class counsel. Judge Silver also found that notice was not required given the circumstances of this case and that our attorneys had been certified twice before.

Motion to Intervene

In its pleadings, the Company has indicated that it will only way in on two issues, the ripeness of the West Pilots’ claims against USAPA and the West Pilots’ right to participate in any McCaskill-Bond arbitration. (Doc 128) The West Pilots joined the Company’s Motion to Intervene, which of course USAPA tried to oppose. Last week, the Court once again disagreed with USAPA and granted the Company’s Motion to Intervene.

Leonidas Subpoenas

Over the past several weeks, USAPA has issued two subpoenas to Leonidas, seeking documents and testimony regarding, among other things, Leonidas’ financial records, including information regarding individual donors. Leonidas’ opposed this effort and last week the Court found that “USAPA has not been able to establish the relevance of the information sought by either subpoena.” (Doc 194). The effect of quashing these subpoenas is that Leonidas will not be required to respond to the subpoenas issued by USAPA......,,,

Where are we now?

If anything, the filings by USAPA over the past few weeks are proof to the world that USAPA’s primary strategy is still delay, in a hope to outspend the West and to prevent an adjudication of the DFR claim. This strategy is quite a bit different than the strategy sold to the East pilots back in April of 2008. Remember the confident pronouncements during the USAPA campaign that a DOH contract would be had within 90 days of USAPA’s certification? Fast forward five and a half years and look what USAPA has done to this pilot group, both East and West: cost it over $650 million in wages that it will never get back from the Company. For the sake of all US Airways pilots as we move towards the merger with American, we hope that this will be the end to this saga and that all of us can move forward with better wages.

The West never asked for this fight, but we are where we are. Now, the only thing the West can do is to continue to defend itself against a union whose sole purpose is to advance the seniority of certain East pilots at the expense of the West pilots.


Full update on cactuspilot.com
So THIS is what it sounds like when a fake union gets its teeth kicked in..
 
I really hope you finally get some release and gratification, you post like you are all stopped up.

Umm...My apologies regarding your kind, if indelicate offer, but Monkees simply aren't my type. Perhaps you might seek some solace in picking fleas and lice off your peers instead. 😉

"Shouldn't you be challenging someone to some kind of contest?" Sigh! That's always proven a futile effort. All "spartans" are seemingly good for is the production of infantile videos, and the issuance of "heroic" bombast along the lines of cactusboy53: "This is sparta!"/"I'll let the courts do my talking for me!"
 
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