August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[mrbreeze]

no chit, guy lands a 200ton jet on water keeps it in one piece and everyone walks away.Some idiots question if he knew what he was doing with the engines?
I'm willing to bet said idiots could not have pulled it off.

good point

 

[traderjake]

no chit, guy lands a 200ton jet on water keeps it in one piece and everyone walks away.Some idiots question if he knew what he was doing with the engines?

I think you're exaggerating, it was an 85 ton jet.

 

[snapthis]

What the heck was that, country rap?

Ah heck, I don't listen to rap. You may be a litte more in tune with that scene. Who's that pasty white rapper who was interviewed during the Notre Dame-Michigan game?

Is it Eminem or M&M?

This guy.

http://ftw.usatoday....gan-notre-dame/

 

[cltrat]

I think you're exaggerating, it was an 85 ton jet.

ok I stand corrected 85 ton jet

think you could have done it?

 

[traderjake]

think you could have done it?

Not as well as they did, if at all.

We are fortunate it was Sully and Jeff.

 

[snapthis]

It's always a good day when USAPA fumbles.
Chalk up another loss for their union. :blink:


Federal judge tosses pilots’ US Airways lawsuit
Published: 9/30/13 @ 09:33

Federal judge tosses pilots’ US Airways lawsuit
PITTSBURGH (AP) — A federal judge in Pittsburgh has dismissed a US Airways lawsuit filed in May by a pilots’ group.
The Tribune-Review said U.S. District Judge Joy Flowers Conti ruled today that since the US Airline Pilots Association no longer claims that US Airways is violating an arbitration order, there’s nothing to rule on.
The Charlotte, N.C.-based group claimed that the Tempe, Ariz., airline was ignoring an order enforcing part of its 2005 merger agreement with America West that required it to balance the use of its east and west fleets.
Conti noted that in subsequent briefs and hearings, the pilots group acknowledged the airline hasn’t violated the order. The group instead sought a ruling to “confirm” the order but Conti said the court doesn’t have the power to do that.

 

[767one]

no chit, guy lands a 200ton jet on water keeps it in one piece and everyone walks away.Some idiots question if he knew what he was doing with the engines?
I'm willing to bet said idiots could not have pulled it off.

It was a great effort by all involved. They were extremely task loaded and time constrained. In spite of that they ditched an aircraft in a river without loss of life....pretty much unprecedented. Quite frankly I don't think it would have mattered to many if they had not done a single checklist given the results. That day was the first time in years I was proud to say I did not mind if people knew I worked for USAirways. This job has become akin to being the sly s**t inspector in a pepper plant. The problem with that is it all looks the same after a while and you end up eating a lot of fly s**t and throwing away a lot of pepper! In this instance they saved all the pepper and threw away the fly s**t.

Regards,

Bob

 

[luvthe9]

[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)](Reuters) - American Airlines plans to hire 1,500 pilots over the next five years as it expands international flying and takes delivery of new planes, the carrier said on Monday.......[/background]http://www.chicagotribune.com/travel/sns-rt-us-americanair-pilots-20130930,0,7141213.story

 

[Piedmont1984]

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Department-of-Justice-Asks-for-Stay-in-American-Airlines-US-Airways-Merger-Case-225961311.html

The DOJ is asking the judge to delay all deadlines.

 

[electricjet98]

You will never convince me that the West would have ever even considered coming off the NIC. So piss off.......you are full of #### to post that kind of crap. Even our ALPA reps saw the truth of the situation and backed down to regroup, well before USAPA was born. Your OUTRAGE to the company, without reaching out to the East is where you guys blew it. If you were really ready to come off the NIC, why don't you do it now? In case your regional mind set doesn't understand, in a worldly theater, piss off, means go fuk yourself! breeze

Swimming in the rum again Breezy? JNC was the arena for "reaching out" and the east's opportunity to reach parity and then beyond with a new JCBA. But no, you preferred to play your "trump card"...stop all ALPA activity, encourage ALPA members remain in good-standing so that any JCBA would be voted down, continue planning for a USAPA vote dragging the west pilots along with you and eliminating the dual-ratification requirement...and wrongly assuming that Duty to Fairly Represent didn't apply to you. You've made a lot of bad decisions, assumptions and claims Breeze...blaming west pilots is just another red-herring in the bottom of your rum bottle.

 

[electricjet98]

The west's ability to "come-off the Nic" went away with USAPA's election, elimination of dual-ratification and USAPA's assumption of a Duty to Fairly Represent all constituents...not just the majority.

 

[Reed Richards]

Swimming in the rum again Breezy? JNC was the arena for "reaching out" and the east's opportunity to reach parity and then beyond with a new JCBA. But no, you preferred to play your "trump card"...stop all ALPA activity, encourage ALPA members remain in good-standing so that any JCBA would be voted down, continue planning for a USAPA vote dragging the west pilots along with you and eliminating the dual-ratification requirement...and wrongly assuming that Duty to Fairly Represent didn't apply to you. You've made a lot of bad decisions, assumptions and claims Breeze...blaming west pilots is just another red-herring in the bottom of your rum bottle.

USAPA has already admitted in a filing to Judge Silver that the primary reason for its creation was to circumvent the NIC. Once you accept that premise, you will better understand the actions of East Pilots prior to leaving ALPA, a union that had no interest in enforcing its own policies. Now there is one last thing to be determined: did USAPA violate it's DFR by not including the NIC in the MOU. That's it. Even Silver could care less about the creation or intent of USAPA. It’s all about USAPA's DFR now, not in some fantasy scenario you create where USAPA had a DFR obligation prior to its creation. Read election. RR

 

[electricjet98]

USAPA has already admitted in a filing to Judge Silver that the primary reason for its creation was to circumvent the NIC. Once you accept that premise, you will better understand the actions of East Pilots prior to leaving ALPA, a union that had no interest in enforcing its own policies. Now there is one last thing to be determined: did USAPA violate it's DFR by not including the NIC in the MOU. That's it. Even Silver could care less about the creation or intent of USAPA. It’s all about USAPA's DFR now, not in some fantasy scenario you create where USAPA had a DFR obligation prior to its creation. Read election. RR

I could be wrong, but don't recall USAPA ever admitting to "primary reason for its creation was to circumvent the NIC". I do recall Bradford's letter and Judge Wake discussion regarding "pretext"...but nothing about USAPA admitting the real reason behind its creation. Nevertheless, regarding Your next point...I have no disagreement with your comment that USAPA had no DFR obligation prior to its creation. But, USAPA's behavior and motivations since it creation and obligation to DFR will continue to be illuminated in Silver's courtroom by the purposefully harmfull actions and statements of USAPA prior to its election...and since (just as it did in Wake's courtroom).

 

[snapthis]

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Department-of-Justice-Asks-for-Stay-in-American-Airlines-US-Airways-Merger-Case-225961311.html

The DOJ is asking the judge to delay all deadlines.

Did they run out of money? Good.

I'd like to see Holder out in the streets with a tin cup and see how much he can collect for his anti-free market stance.

 

[Reed Richards]

I could be wrong, but don't recall USAPA ever admitting to "primary reason for its creation was to circumvent the NIC". I do recall Bradford's letter and Judge Wake discussion regarding "pretext"...but nothing about USAPA admitting the real reason behind its creation. Nevertheless, regarding Your next point...I have no disagreement with your comment that USAPA had no DFR obligation prior to its creation. But, USAPA's behavior and motivations since it creation and obligation to DFR will continue to be illuminated in Silver's courtroom by the purposefully harmfull actions and statements of USAPA prior to its election...and since (just as it did in Wake's courtroom).

You are not the only West Class member who's favorite memories stop at Wake. I can see why. Let me be clear what I read as the case law. Nothing anyone said or did prior to being certified means anyting in a court of law. Why? Because a vote was taken according to NMB procedures, and no court will ever speak or try to speak to the mind set of over 5000 individuals. Once they vote, majority rules, and its a clean slate. So tell Marty once again, as Silver has numerous times, the events surrounding the creation of USAPA have no bearing on the question at hand, a DFR as to the MOU. And is this a new spin... "purposefully" harmful? Tell Marty to take all the time he want with illuminations. It will be time wasted to the benefit of USAPA. RR