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Who are you voting for tomorrow?

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Fly said:
YES, true. Please remind me how many Iraqis were involved with 9/11 again (or better yet, how many of those "many times" were we attacked by Iraqis?)...I seem to remember that there were NONE.
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What does that have to do with anything? We aren't fighting the Iraqi people. We are fighting FOR the Iraqi people and against the radical muslims that have invaded that country. If you seriously believe that Saddam had no ties to terrorists I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd love to sell you cheap!
 
The war on terror, ms. Fly is not just about 9/11 and the President never said that there was a direct link between Sadam and 9/11(although we are finding that there just may have been). The training camp where they found the fuselage of a comercail air liner in the middle of a terrorist training camp comes to mind. Or what that just there so they could study it and try to build one to sell on the international market?

The issue with Iraq, as I and other have said repeatedly, is that Sadam was a state sponsor of terrorists and more specifically al-queida. That is is the issue here. The President said that we would not only hunt down the terrorists but those nations(countries for those of you still in school) that supported them.

Iraq was a strong supporter of terrorist and they were working on advanced weapons that were most probably going to be given to these very same terrorists.

Everybody like to point out that we have not found these weapons but they forget that the equipment was there to make them, the raw materials were there to make them, the technology and knowledger was there to make them and the desire was there to make them.
 
Everybody like to point out that we have not found these weapons but they forget that the equipment was there to make them, the raw materials were there to make them, the technology and knowledger was there to make them and the desire was there to make them.

That's right... and where there is a will, there's a way. Our president and his advisors had the foresight to not wait until one dropped on our front doorstep. For all you know, some of you may not have been even reading this had it not been for this president. And while deep inside somewhere you know it's true, it's too damaging to your argument to admit it. While there are things that GWB has done that he should, I believe, apologize for, I still think he made the absolute correct decisions in this war on terror.

That's why I casted my ballot for George W. Bush in Palm Beach County Florida this morning.
 
Well I cast my ballot for John Kerry and John Edwards this morning. Then I proceeded to vote for a whole slew of Republicans, from governor to congress on down to teeny tiny positions for my county government. Since I don't earn anything close to 200K per year, there was absolutely no remote reason for me to vote for Bush.
 
USAir757 said:
That's why I casted my ballot for George W. Bush in Palm Beach County Florida this morning.
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I guess we just nullified each others vote. I just 'cast' my vote for John F. Kerry in Palm Beach County Florida. Hi neighbor!!!!
 
Problems here in New Jersey at polls as some guy has CLOSED two polling places after he entered, threw white powder in air and ran out...Police & HAZMAT at both scenes...This is in Mount Laurel, NJ - a swing zone for NJ!!!!!
 
I guess we just nullified each others vote. I just 'cast' my vote for John F. Kerry in Palm Beach County Florida. Hi neighbor!!!!

Perhaps we did, but at least we voted. I just hope our state doesn't end up looking like it did 4 years ago.... let's get a TRUE WINNER!

Problems here in New Jersey at polls as some guy has CLOSED two polling places after he entered, threw white powder in air and ran out...Police & HAZMAT at both scenes...This is in Mount Laurel, NJ - a swing zone for NJ!!!!!

No need. No need at all. News stations are also reporting there were over 2,000 votes already recorded on machines in Philadelphia before the polls even opened. COME ON PEOPLE! I don't care who did it, what good are we if we can't get rid of that crap? :down:
 
Well I cast my ballot for John Kerry and John Edwards this morning. Then I proceeded to vote for a whole slew of Republicans, from governor to congress on down to teeny tiny positions for my county government. Since I don't earn anything close to 200K per year, there was absolutely no remote reason for me to vote for Bush.

Good for you... and I mean that in a good way. There is nothing wrong with voting across party lines. It's all a personal decision in what you believe. Obviously you are a person who isn't predisposed to vote one way or another simply because you're on a bandwagon. That is commendable.
 
Agreed USAir757....I was opposed to the Gore select county recount strategy (although it was perfectly legal but a fairness nightmare) even though I voted Gore 2000. This is BS if we cant do this fairly...I recognized GWB as the President because even though Gore won popular by 500,000 the system is set up via electoral college...Yes there was sloppiness in Florida but it all would have been footnotes if one side or the other had won by 50,000 votes instead of 500.
 
USAir757 said:
Perhaps we did, but at least we voted. I just hope our state doesn't end up looking like it did 4 years ago.... let's get a TRUE WINNER!
No need. No need at all. News stations are also reporting there were over 2,000 votes already recorded on machines in Philadelphia before the polls even opened. COME ON PEOPLE! I don't care who did it, what good are we if we can't get rid of that crap? :down:
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This has been resolved. The machine wasnt set yet, they were old votes.
 
Fly said:
Read this at another site. This IS why it matters what others think.

Let me tell you a short story. When I was in elementary school, the school was plagued by a bully. He was the biggest, strongest kid around and would beat up anyone he didn't like. We were all exceedingly polite to his face, but hated his guts behind his back. One day he was chasing some poor kid and he tripped and skidded a considerable distance, scraping his face on the rough asphalt of the playground. He was bleeding and in pain, screaming for help. But nobody came to help him. We all just walked away. George Bush is the world's playground bully. The world sees him--and by inference, America--as arrogant, self-centered, and mean. I spoke to Americans from dozens of countries at the DA caucus. Everyone told the same story--the world hates America. When talking to foreigners, I can tell them about the Bill of Rights or freedom or World War II, or whatever I want, but all they see is this big, stupid, arrogant, playground bully and a stolen election in Florida last time. I think America deserves better. I want America to be respected in the world again, and John Kerry can restore the respect America deserves.
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If everyone hates America then why do they keep coming to live here. I wish everyone that supposedly hated America would stay in their own country.
 
No, I got the point just fine and understand it fully. What we are doing is fighting the bully on his turf as we speak. The "bully" in this case has no intention of fighting a conventional war nor do they recognize any kind of human decency.
Yes, but in your disregard for why much of the rest of the world didn't agree with our actions in Iraq, WE are viewed as the bully. I might point out that the beheading rate didn't increase until sometime AFTER the "mission" was "accomplished.
I don't see how you can correlate how we are being a bully in this fight. We were ruthlessly attacked many times with the latest being on 9/11. You DO remember that don't you??
As a matter of fact I do. I even supported GW when he went after the culprits in Afghanistan. But Iraq had nothing to do with that attack, yet Saddam was the focal point for our war on terror, and the person responisible has been reduced to "not that important". And the rest of the world views us as the bully.
People jumping out of buildings over 100 stories high? Airplanes crashing into skyscrapers, the Pentagon and in Shanksville, PA?
What did that have to do with Iraq...why wasn't the job finished Afghanistan? Why is the mastermind of those attacks reduced to a bit player. I know you view the war in Iraq as the frontline in the war on terror....I view the Iraq war kind of like the OJ trial...and the "dream team" of Bush, Cheney, Rove and Rumsfeld have just divulged the equivalent that Dennis Furhman has used the "n-word" in the past 10 years.
What we are doing is fighting for our way of life. France, Russia and Germany aren't onboard because they chose not to be. They were making money hand over fist with Saddam all the while telling us, our supposed ally, they were abiding by the sanctions they themselves pushed for.
And only 8 days before the first Gulf War, GHW Bush was trying to improve relations with Iraq and told him that his issue with Kuwait was not a priority for the US. That tells me that he saw an opportunity for he US corporations to "make money hand over fist" in Iraq. In 8 short days - business partner to threat to the civilized world. But....he had UN support military efforts. But hey...when WE wanted to make money hand over fist with a madman, that's a different story, right?
Talk about talking out of both sides of their mouths. Our people have done a magnificent job in Iraq. Schools are open, raw sewage doesn't run in the streets as before, people aren't being mass-murdered and the people are actually going to have a say in their government.
That's fine and good, but I'm sorry, it wasn't worth the loss of one American life. Meanwhile, back home, our schools suffer, and while Bush wants the "Hillary Health Plan" in place for Iraqi's...it's not good enough for US citizens. That's both sides of a mouth there.
The pacifist line that the democrats took during the '90's didn't work and Bush was left to clean up the mess left for him.
Iraq wasn't a mess when Clinton was in Office. Bush made the mess. Now we have to clean it up.
As for the election we will see and if the reverse is true this republican will not whine and cry, act like a child, spew venom like the left has for the last four years, lie and make fabrications like the democrats have, tell the elderly the left is going to starve their grandchildren and take away their social security. That is unAmerican and unpatriotic and something I would never do unlike those on the liberal side.
That's very big of you, but for 8 years before Bush, many republicans were crying and whining about Whitewater, Vince Foster, Travelgate, Monicagate, Troopergate...the list goes on.
While I wouldn't like the outcome I would live with it and just because my side didn't win I would not call for an end to the electoral college. Unlike the democrats I don't think, and the majority of the American people don't think they are smarter than our founding fathers.
I'll bet you that if the reverse does occur, and Bush wins the popular but not the electoral, many will be eating their words.
 

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