Certificates Sep 27th?

[PBI2FLL]

There will be no certificate merger. Not even a peep about it from Tempe. They are trying to sell and get out and disolve the entire airline. East to UAL and West to NWA.

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Nothing surprises me anymore in this business, but this rumor is a little far fetched, don't you think?

 

[767jetz]

There will be no certificate merger. Not even a peep about it from Tempe. They are trying to sell and get out and disolve the entire airline. East to UAL and West to NWA.

Is there any chance we can give East to NWA and have UA take the West?????? 🙁

PLEASE! :huh:

 

[b737fo]

Is there any chance we can give East to NWA and have UA take the West?????? 🙁

PLEASE! :huh:

I second that. Please oh please gurus on Rio Salado. Please don't stick us with NWA. Honestly I would be surprised to see our operation divided and sent to two different legacies. I believe it would be more likely that only one airline would merge with our operation and the excess would be parked and furloughed. That would help eliminate the excess capacity in the domestic market that the airline analysts have been citing as a systemic problem within this airline industry. I hope I'm wrong.....

 

[WCT]

This clown is looking for the next sale! He doesn't care about anybody here, or old America West.
Total shame we are being sold to the highest bidder. The nightmare will never end until the crooks screw everyone, and we are all forced to the unemplyoment line. Sorry. JMHO :angry: 🙁

 

[AstroLounge]

There will be no certificate merger. Not even a peep about it from Tempe. They are trying to sell and get out and disolve the entire airline. East to UAL and West to NWA.

Sounds VERY PLAUSIBLE. They have no intention of INTEGRATING......proof is IN THE OPERATION.

 

[prechilill]

Is there any chance we can give East to NWA and have UA take the West?????? 🙁

PLEASE! :huh:

Actually, jetz, that is close to what will be happening if UAL and U merge. In this scenario the antitrust issues will come from the DC area and probably PHL so a chunk of the East operation will be left behind to the highest bidder (*LUV*). The East guys haven't a clue...

 

[Pi brat]

Is there any chance we can give East to NWA and have UA take the West?????? 🙁

PLEASE! :huh:

ME TOO! NWA has a much better pilot group. I never wanted to be a Marvin Mainliner. Westies, if you think US guys are bad, wait til you deal with UA with their beloved widebodies.

 

[Pi brat]

Is there any chance we can give East to NWA and have UA take the West?????? 🙁

PLEASE! :huh:

Jetz I asked you a question a few months ago on the UA board that you never answered. Simple question, the guy slotted just in front of me cannot now, and has never been able to hold a capt. bid, and of course they have no widebodies to bid. The guys in that seniority range say they would have been able to hold a capt bid by now if not for the merger, but Doug has said on camera otherwise. If the award were implemented tomorrow, he could be a capt in any base except CLT on the 737, A320, or EMB-190. If age 60 goes away, he can hold a block as 767 Int'l F/O or A330 F/O. Do you consider that a windfall?

Why do you hate US guys so much? Did you have one ask about your 747 manual?

 

[kubotapilot]

You can't be serious about the "excess capacity" can you. Flights are all continously at record LF. Get your head out of the sand !

I second that. Please oh please gurus on Rio Salado. Please don't stick us with NWA. Honestly I would be surprised to see our operation divided and sent to two different legacies. I believe it would be more likely that only one airline would merge with our operation and the excess would be parked and furloughed. That would help eliminate the excess capacity in the domestic market that the airline analysts have been citing as a systemic problem within this airline industry. I hope I'm wrong.....

 

[767jetz]

Do you consider that a windfall?

No.

Why do you hate US guys so much? Did you have one ask about your 747 manual?

Yes.

ME TOO! NWA has a much better pilot group. I never wanted to be a Marvin Mainliner. Westies, if you think US guys are bad, wait til you deal with UA with their beloved widebodies.

Relatively speaking, compared to the East pilots, the West would be welcomed with open arms.

 

[Pi brat]

No.
Yes.
Relatively speaking, compared to the East pilots, the West would be welcomed with open arms.

Thanks for the answers. As far as AWA guys welcomed with open arms, I bet.

 

[Hawkhunter]

No.
Yes.
Relatively speaking, compared to the East pilots, the West would be welcomed with open arms.

You have a big mouth pal, it seems you like to stir the pot on other boards as well. Do you think we care at all what you think? Did you ever ask us what we think of UAL pukes? Just go away tweeb.

 

[b737fo]

You can't be serious about the "excess capacity" can you. Flights are all continously at record LF. Get your head out of the sand !

My head is out of the sand my friend. We are at record load factors because we have to sell our tickets at smaller margins just to fill airplanes. Compare fares now to fares for the same trips years ago and you will see costs (especially fuel) that have steadily risen over the years while fares do not show that same trend. Our yields as an industry adjusted for inflation are down. What does that all mean? Well we have to have record load factors to make a profit margin that is the same if not smaller than what could do with a load factor in the 70s% range before.

 

[N924PS]

My head is out of the sand my friend. We are at record load factors because we have to sell our tickets at smaller margins just to fill airplanes. Compare fares now to fares for the same trips years ago and you will see costs (especially fuel) that have steadily risen over the years while fares do not show that same trend. Our yields as an industry adjusted for inflation are down. What does that all mean? Well we have to have record load factors to make a profit margin that is the same if not smaller than what could do with a load factor in the 70s% range before.

Not according to Scotch Kirby!

http://aviation.beloblog.com/archives/2007...us_airways.html

 

[b737fo]

Not according to Scotch Kirby!

http://aviation.beloblog.com/archives/2007...us_airways.html

That may be valid comparing year over year but I think the trend looking back over many years would probably show something different. Here is an interesting tidbit out of that article you cited though:

"A big drag on airline stocks and earnings projections has been the concern that too much capacity or too little demand was holding down fares. That's good for consumers, but not so good for airline earnings."