Change of Control Award

[necigrad]

700UW, my post was directed to your response to:

this sums it up for the west, no mention of how the west is fought for, the west contract is up and sec 6 should have been on going to force the company to bargain. it just tells you what the IAm thinks of the underlings paying their "nice"salary

Your response was to reread the release, and you chose to highlight:

Therefore, in an attempt to improve the financial and working conditions of IAM members, direct negotiations with US Airways will resume. District 141 will return to the bargaining table January 22, 23 and 24 2008, and District 142 will continue bargaining January 29, 30 and 31, 2008.

That was my point. The poster commented that the West employees will not get Section 6 (which they are due) and it appears you think the transition negotiations were Section 6. It is not.

 

[700AW]

Reread it, you are going to be negotiating a transition agreement, the dates are set.

A total new CBA won't be until the end of 2009.

we know thes talks are for a ta..... the question is it fair for the west to pay dues to the IAM and have to wait until 2009 for sec 6 when their's has been out since 2003???? union representation should have continued the sec 6 that was going on, albeit, the company knew the merger was coming so there was not an impedance on their part to get things done, had they been able to use the west sec 6 to get the cba they wanted, they could have t/a'd the east into it.
I guess the IAM never thought of that.. chock up another victory for the IAM

 

[700UW]

The west CBA scope language is way inferior, the IAM CBA has been around since 1949, no way would the East want to fall under your CBA.

Get use to it, your not IBT anymore, you will fall under the IAM CBA.

The company does not want to negotiate just for the west, that was proven when they stopped your negotiations.

 

[700AW]

The west CBA scope language is way inferior, the IAM CBA has been around since 1949, no way would the East want to fall under your CBA.

Get use to it, your not IBT anymore, you will fall under the IAM CBA.

The company does not want to negotiate just for the west, that was proven when they stopped your negotiations.

once again, show me a copy of the 1949 CBA that is stillin force today. The so-called inferior scope" language, as well as pensions et al. could have included in the sec 6 for the west, again, IAM did not think of that, another victory for the IAM

 

[necigrad]

The company does not want to negotiate just for the west, that was proven when they stopped your negotiations.

The IAM doesn't want to just negotiate for the West either, as proven (again) here:

any efforts to reach an agreement that does not cover both groups would be fruitless and impractical

 

[Black Magic]

Just out of curiosity would the company still be willing to offer the same TA that was offered yet voted down? I have a feeling no but hmmmm.....

 

[orioleman]

700AW

are you fleet or mtc ??

 

[Planemx]

Just out of curiosity would the company still be willing to offer the same TA that was offered yet voted down? I have a feeling no but hmmmm.....

I don't see the company 'offering' much at this point - I see the IAM asking, begging for a poor excuse of a bandaid TA.

 

[orioleman]

blackmagic

IMO I would say definetly NO they will be gunning for more concessions.

the sad part for the membership is we still have the same horse and pony show neg. team that we had the 1st time so

I am sure they will entertain and cuts the company wants to throw there

 

[700UW]

How many HP mechanics are at San Salvador at Aeroman or How many HP mechanics at Timco overhauling your planes?

Does it come it close to the headcount at CLT and PIT heavy MTC?

 

[freedom]

I told you this day would come ,and thus it has … I know some of you on the east also believed that you would lose the COC , but I’m sure the actual losing still touches a nerve . To my fellow west workers , today the sun has broken through the storm clouds …While a major loss for our east brothers , it was in my view inevitable , and now with the change of control out of the way , we are one unified work force and can now go forward to work out a suitable transitional agreement . I STRONGLY urge my east brothers not to retaliate against the company due to this loss . Now is NOT the time ,let us give the company and our union some breathing room , at least wait until the company/union meeting and if a new TA is not provided at that point , then I say “weapons free “to you . I know that many of you are already thinking of sabotaging the super bowl , and I will not discourage you from doing so if we don’t have a new TA to vote on . Both parties have had MORE than enough time to think about things as the months have passed , I and my fellow workers out here are tired of waiting and the strain is starting to show , let us sit down as adults and come to a conclusion in negotiations .

The TA offered us was for the most part reasonable , but there are three additions that we need in order to seal this deal .

1. Full sick pay and sick days

2. Full holiday pay and holidays

3 . Enhanced job security .


With these final 3 elements we can finally stop fighting …. Us Airways NEEDS a contract to be settled. ,Our company must show the business community that it CAN conclude labor agreements that will end the unrest .

 

[Bear96]

What's the big deal?

Just take a page from the pilots' playbook: change unions and you can ignore the arbitration award. I am sure USAPA's attorneys can back you up.

 

[700AW]

How many HP mechanics are at San Salvador at Aeroman or How many HP mechanics at Timco overhauling your planes?

Does it come it close to the headcount at CLT and PIT heavy MTC?

the outsourcing was done before a union was in place, where as IAM had in-house work outsourced while they were on the preimises.
it is hard to compare the 2, again under sec 6 for the west, the outsourcing issue could have been negotiated back in, as i said earlier.
not to mention all of the outsorced shops work that has taken place...

orioleman... Mech...

 

[brokenwrench]

The IAM was responsible for the start of the great overhaul outsource parade! They sold out the UAL AMT'S at IND and SFO and allowed United to close the overhaul at those facilities. After that the pressure was on there competitors to match the cost cut. So next was NWA followed by DAL.

Hate to break it to you but AWA outsourcing at the time was not going to hurt any of the Big Three with there "mtc cost savings."

The IAM should have done what there members at US had told them and struck! The members were not "confused" and did not need a revote jammed down their throat to accept a concessionary contract. So your attack on AWA for not doing the overhaul on ALL 150 or so of their airplanes rings fairly shallow and a little sanctimonious.

 

[700UW]

the outsourcing was done before a union was in place, where as IAM had in-house work outsourced while they were on the preimises.
it is hard to compare the 2, again under sec 6 for the west, the outsourcing issue could have been negotiated back in, as i said earlier.
not to mention all of the outsorced shops work that has taken place...

orioleman... Mech...

It took a judge abrogating the CBA to permit outsourcing.

The IAM M&R never reached a deal with the company, after the judge abrogated, the membership, once again the MEMBERSHIP ratified it to permit the outsourning.