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Article from USA Today below:
Delta, United get first crack at new China routes
Delta received approval this morning from the Department of Transportation to begin nonstop service between Atlanta and Shanghai. The route is one of six new daily round-trip routes granted today by the U.S. DOT. The route awarded to Delta was eligible to start as early as Aug. 1, though the DOT will give the Atlanta-based carrier until March 2008 to launch the route to China. It will be the carrier's first route to the country. Routes to China are tightly regulated by bi-lateral aviation agreements between the USA and China. A recently approved aviation agreement between the nations opened up the equivalent of six new daily routes to U.S. carriers.
All six of the USA's so-called legacy carriers received one of the new routes awarded for flights to China. The rights to operate the latest batch of flights are staggered to begin between now and 2009. Following Delta, United Airlines has been granted the authority to begin daily nonstop service between its San Francisco hub and Guangzhou, China. United will be permitted to begin flying that route in March 2008. The other four Chinese routes were awarded to: US Airways for daily service between Philadelphia and Beijing; Continental for daily nonstop service between Newark, N.J., and Beijing; American for daily nonstop service Chicago O'Hare and Beijing; and Northwest for daily nonstop service between Detroit and Shanghai.
Delta, United get first crack at new China routes
Delta received approval this morning from the Department of Transportation to begin nonstop service between Atlanta and Shanghai. The route is one of six new daily round-trip routes granted today by the U.S. DOT. The route awarded to Delta was eligible to start as early as Aug. 1, though the DOT will give the Atlanta-based carrier until March 2008 to launch the route to China. It will be the carrier's first route to the country. Routes to China are tightly regulated by bi-lateral aviation agreements between the USA and China. A recently approved aviation agreement between the nations opened up the equivalent of six new daily routes to U.S. carriers.
All six of the USA's so-called legacy carriers received one of the new routes awarded for flights to China. The rights to operate the latest batch of flights are staggered to begin between now and 2009. Following Delta, United Airlines has been granted the authority to begin daily nonstop service between its San Francisco hub and Guangzhou, China. United will be permitted to begin flying that route in March 2008. The other four Chinese routes were awarded to: US Airways for daily service between Philadelphia and Beijing; Continental for daily nonstop service between Newark, N.J., and Beijing; American for daily nonstop service Chicago O'Hare and Beijing; and Northwest for daily nonstop service between Detroit and Shanghai.
Coffee_Tea_Or_Me
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OOPS -- it looks like Philly to BEIJING, not Shanghai. Sorry for the error.
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Text of the award:
1. We select Delta Air Lines, Inc. to engage in scheduled foreign air transportation of persons, property, and mail, on a nonstop basis only, between Atlanta, Georgia, on the one hand, and Shanghai, People’s Republic of China, on the other hand, effective immediately;
2. We allocate Delta Air Lines, Inc. seven weekly frequencies to perform its proposed operations;
3. We allocate United Air Lines, Inc. seven weekly frequencies to engage in scheduled foreign air transportation of persons, property, and mail, on a nonstop basis only, between San Francisco, California, on the one hand, and Guangzhou, People’s Republic of China, on the other hand, effective March 25, 2008;
4. We tentatively select US Airways, Inc. to engage in scheduled foreign air transportation of persons, property, and mail, on a nonstop basis only, between Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, on the one hand, and Beijing, People’s Republic of China, on the other hand, effective March 25, 2009;
5. We tentatively allocate US Airways, Inc. seven weekly frequencies to perform its proposed 2009 operations;
6. We tentatively allocate American Airlines, Inc. seven weekly frequencies to engage in scheduled foreign air transportation of persons, property, and mail, on a nonstop basis only, between Chicago, Illinois, on the one hand, and Beijing, People’s Republic of China, on the other hand, effective March 25, 2009;
7. We tentatively allocate Continental Airlines, Inc. seven weekly frequencies to engage in scheduled foreign air transportation of persons, property, and mail, on a nonstop basis only, between Newark, New Jersey, on the one hand, and Shanghai, People’s Republic of China, on the other hand, effective March 25, 2009;
8. We tentatively allocate Northwest Airlines, Inc. seven weekly frequencies to engage in scheduled foreign air transportation of persons, property, and mail, on a nonstop basis only, between Detroit, Michigan, on the one hand, and Shanghai, People’s Republic of China, on the other hand, effective March 25, 2009;
9. We tentatively deny the applications of Delta Air Lines, Inc. for its proposed Atlanta-Beijing services, MAXjet Airlines, Inc. for its proposed Seattle-Shanghai services, and Northwest Air Lines, Inc. for its proposed Detroit-Beijing services;
10. We tentatively impose a five-year restriction on the sale or transfer of the route rights and frequencies awarded in ordering paragraphs 4 through 8 by the carriers named therein;
11. We tentatively amend the certificate of Delta Air Lines, Inc. awarding it route authority between Atlanta, Georgia and Shanghai, People’s Republic of China by imposing a five- year restriction on the sale or transfer of the route rights and frequencies awarded in ordering paragraph 1;
12. We tentatively impose a five-year restriction on the sale or transfer of the frequencies awarded United Air Lines, Inc. in ordering paragraph 3;
13. We direct any interested parties having objections to our tentative findings and conclusions set forth in this order and in ordering paragraphs 4 through 12, above, to file their objections, in the above-captioned docket, with the Department’s Docket section, U.S. Department of Transportation, Docket Operations, M-30, West Building Ground Floor, Room W12-140, 1200 New Jersey Avenue, SE, Washington, D.C., 20590, no later than 10 calendar days from the date of service of this order; answers thereto shall be filed no later than seven (7) calendar days thereafter;
14. If timely and properly supported objections are filed, we will afford full consideration to the matters or issues raised by the objections before we take further action; if no objections are filed, we will deem all further procedural steps to be waived and will proceed to enter a final order awarding the authority proposed in this order;
15. We grant all motions for leave to file otherwise unauthorized documents, as referenced in this order; and
16. Unless disapproved by the President of the United States under 49 U.S.C. § 41307, the award in ordering paragraph 1 shall become effective upon the 61st day after its submission for section 41307 review, or upon the date of receipt of advice from the President or his designee under Executive Order 12597 and implementing regulations that he or she does not intend to disapprove the Department’s order under that section, whichever occurs earlier; and
17. We will serve this order on the parties to the captioned docket of the order, the U.S. Department of State (Office of Aviation Negotiations), the Federal Aviation Administration (AFS-200), and the Ambassador of the People’s Republic of China in Washington, D.C.
Full Award Document in MS Word Format
Jim
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1. We select Delta Air Lines, Inc. to engage in scheduled foreign air transportation of persons, property, and mail, on a nonstop basis only, between Atlanta, Georgia, on the one hand, and Shanghai, People’s Republic of China, on the other hand, effective immediately;
2. We allocate Delta Air Lines, Inc. seven weekly frequencies to perform its proposed operations;
3. We allocate United Air Lines, Inc. seven weekly frequencies to engage in scheduled foreign air transportation of persons, property, and mail, on a nonstop basis only, between San Francisco, California, on the one hand, and Guangzhou, People’s Republic of China, on the other hand, effective March 25, 2008;
4. We tentatively select US Airways, Inc. to engage in scheduled foreign air transportation of persons, property, and mail, on a nonstop basis only, between Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, on the one hand, and Beijing, People’s Republic of China, on the other hand, effective March 25, 2009;
5. We tentatively allocate US Airways, Inc. seven weekly frequencies to perform its proposed 2009 operations;
6. We tentatively allocate American Airlines, Inc. seven weekly frequencies to engage in scheduled foreign air transportation of persons, property, and mail, on a nonstop basis only, between Chicago, Illinois, on the one hand, and Beijing, People’s Republic of China, on the other hand, effective March 25, 2009;
7. We tentatively allocate Continental Airlines, Inc. seven weekly frequencies to engage in scheduled foreign air transportation of persons, property, and mail, on a nonstop basis only, between Newark, New Jersey, on the one hand, and Shanghai, People’s Republic of China, on the other hand, effective March 25, 2009;
8. We tentatively allocate Northwest Airlines, Inc. seven weekly frequencies to engage in scheduled foreign air transportation of persons, property, and mail, on a nonstop basis only, between Detroit, Michigan, on the one hand, and Shanghai, People’s Republic of China, on the other hand, effective March 25, 2009;
9. We tentatively deny the applications of Delta Air Lines, Inc. for its proposed Atlanta-Beijing services, MAXjet Airlines, Inc. for its proposed Seattle-Shanghai services, and Northwest Air Lines, Inc. for its proposed Detroit-Beijing services;
10. We tentatively impose a five-year restriction on the sale or transfer of the route rights and frequencies awarded in ordering paragraphs 4 through 8 by the carriers named therein;
11. We tentatively amend the certificate of Delta Air Lines, Inc. awarding it route authority between Atlanta, Georgia and Shanghai, People’s Republic of China by imposing a five- year restriction on the sale or transfer of the route rights and frequencies awarded in ordering paragraph 1;
12. We tentatively impose a five-year restriction on the sale or transfer of the frequencies awarded United Air Lines, Inc. in ordering paragraph 3;
13. We direct any interested parties having objections to our tentative findings and conclusions set forth in this order and in ordering paragraphs 4 through 12, above, to file their objections, in the above-captioned docket, with the Department’s Docket section, U.S. Department of Transportation, Docket Operations, M-30, West Building Ground Floor, Room W12-140, 1200 New Jersey Avenue, SE, Washington, D.C., 20590, no later than 10 calendar days from the date of service of this order; answers thereto shall be filed no later than seven (7) calendar days thereafter;
14. If timely and properly supported objections are filed, we will afford full consideration to the matters or issues raised by the objections before we take further action; if no objections are filed, we will deem all further procedural steps to be waived and will proceed to enter a final order awarding the authority proposed in this order;
15. We grant all motions for leave to file otherwise unauthorized documents, as referenced in this order; and
16. Unless disapproved by the President of the United States under 49 U.S.C. § 41307, the award in ordering paragraph 1 shall become effective upon the 61st day after its submission for section 41307 review, or upon the date of receipt of advice from the President or his designee under Executive Order 12597 and implementing regulations that he or she does not intend to disapprove the Department’s order under that section, whichever occurs earlier; and
17. We will serve this order on the parties to the captioned docket of the order, the U.S. Department of State (Office of Aviation Negotiations), the Federal Aviation Administration (AFS-200), and the Ambassador of the People’s Republic of China in Washington, D.C.
Full Award Document in MS Word Format
Jim
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How many fuel stops with they need to make flying an A319?
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They won't stop. They'll make the entire cargo a big fuel tank and send the bags when the flight is light.
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Looks like US Airways will be needing some A340's after all.
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... and its comforting to think that the airline will be looking for the most "cost neutral" A340's out there... err um "inexpensive". Lets hope that Tempe configures the A330s and A340s in the same way -- that way if there is a spare A340 sittin around and one of our A330s break (heaven forbid!!) its a simple few keystroke entry and done (at least in SLO).
I hear Air France has an A340 for sale, real cheap too!
I hear Air France has an A340 for sale, real cheap too!
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Dear Uncle Doug:
How excited we are for the new route to Beijing. I have two requests as we begin our planning.
1) Can we please have real bunks. A private crew rest area? While napping on the floor of the 330 yesterday I had my hand run over by the beverage cart. The week before while in my "rest seat" my shoulder was knocked out of joint by a passenger "of size" running to the restroom, the passenger behind me kept kicking my seat and left her window shade open. Please, oh please?
2) Please don't screw this up. Can we have real professionals plan the service on this flight. The Far East is very much into custom. Let's not embarrass ourselves my biting off more that we cashew.
Thanks
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EMBFA and C-or-B, you two are toooo funny!
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"Well, bust my britches SusieQ!' guess I'll be eating Crow tonite..........didn't think US had a chance in hell in landing these routes. Anything can happen in the meantime but this is a Totally Unexpected surprise. How the hell Tempe pulled off this Coupe is amazing when they can't seem to even integrate two mid size airlines. To coin a phrase "they pulled this one out of the hat' but in all reality I would tend to believe they pulled THIS One out of their Arsce! Utterly speechless on this announcement.........
Utterly speechless on this announcement.........
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