"come Out And Fly With The Big Boys"
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Bizman said:Isn't that just a Southwest plane in the air?
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Ok, ok, you got us.
Here's an excerpt from our preflight check list that the public doesn't know about.
Mullet; Check.
Tattoo; Check.
Acid wash jeans; Check.
Nascar hat; Check.
Kenny Chesney music; Check.
If we don't have a least one of these things on board we can't fly.
ELP_WN_Psgr
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Howdy from an undisclosed location in Iraq.
Shortly before I started my year long vacation here I was informed of a speech made by Rep Barton who happened to comment on his commitment to free market capitalism, no govt intervention, laissez faire, laissez les bon temps roulez attitude when it came to that industry.
I was perturbed enough to call his office where I had a chance to chat with one of his staffers....after I finished with her, she promised to have the Congressman call me or at the very least e mail me to address my concerns about this perceived two-facedness.
Alas, he never did. Perhaps it was my last comment/question....namely, that I thought a Texas Aggie like Barton should have better sense.....but the bigger issue would be how would the good congressman feel about a fellow Texas Aggie with impeccable Republican credentials (delegate to a couple of conventions), a combat vet, retired Army officer, with MPA....how would he feel if such an individual were to turn Conservative Democrat (not an oxymoron or even a bad word in Central Texas) and run for his comfy chair in the House with some campaign funds tossed towards said opponent by the various PACs associated with Southwest Airlines Co?
Just a fleeting thought. But something to consider.
Shortly before I started my year long vacation here I was informed of a speech made by Rep Barton who happened to comment on his commitment to free market capitalism, no govt intervention, laissez faire, laissez les bon temps roulez attitude when it came to that industry.
I was perturbed enough to call his office where I had a chance to chat with one of his staffers....after I finished with her, she promised to have the Congressman call me or at the very least e mail me to address my concerns about this perceived two-facedness.
Alas, he never did. Perhaps it was my last comment/question....namely, that I thought a Texas Aggie like Barton should have better sense.....but the bigger issue would be how would the good congressman feel about a fellow Texas Aggie with impeccable Republican credentials (delegate to a couple of conventions), a combat vet, retired Army officer, with MPA....how would he feel if such an individual were to turn Conservative Democrat (not an oxymoron or even a bad word in Central Texas) and run for his comfy chair in the House with some campaign funds tossed towards said opponent by the various PACs associated with Southwest Airlines Co?
Just a fleeting thought. But something to consider.
corl737 said:Seems to me that Barton has his criteria backward in saying who the "big boys" are:
Market Capitalization as of market close 8/17:
Southwest Airlines (LUV) $10.87 billion.
AMR Corp. (AMR) $2.29 billion.
I wonder how much bigger AMR could have been if they hadn't had to pay all that money to DFW for the "privilege" of flying from a major airport?
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Can you give me the flight number I need to book my flight to Hong Kong...I can't find it on your website? :down:
Thanks!
WNJETFIXER said:
Yeah! I hate to burst your bubble, but enjoy your time at the top, you got nowhere to go but down.
Are you in the Airline Industry??darkclouds said:Yeah! I hate to burst your bubble, but enjoy your time at the top, you got nowhere to go but down.
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WNJETFIXER said:
No...I'm in the interstate coach business like you!
Don't mean to come across as a smartass...but the arrogance diplayed here is annoying. Face it....if you were'nt hedged you would be losing bucks like everyone else.
The guy's at NWA..Delta...UAL...all thought they were immune from financial pitfalls. The industry is changing fast...the SWA niche is getting crowded and who knows what is around the corner.
I like the old SWA "aw shucks..were just good ole boy's" attitude than the "we're golden boy's eat my jet blast" attitude.
You guy's are the industry leaders in wages...Which I think is great...But when the hedges run out how are you going to maintain your cost advantage? Where are the cuts coming from? Is there much fat at SWA? What if you have a couple of bad quarters? Do you think Wall St. will cut you any slack?
No...they will be screaming "Southwest...highest labor cost in airline industry!" .
Just something to think about.
Why is it annoying?? You'll find that 99.9% of SWA employees are proud of where they work. Southwest is structured very nicely and always has been. The high productivity of the employees is what makes alot of this work.darkclouds said:No...I'm in the interstate coach business like you!
Don't mean to come across as a smartass...but the arrogance diplayed here is annoying. Face it....if you were'nt hedged you would be losing bucks like everyone else.
The guy's at NWA..Delta...UAL...all thought they were immune from financial pitfalls. The industry is changing fast...the SWA niche is getting crowded and who knows what is around the corner.
I like the old SWA "aw shucks..were just good ole boy's" attitude than the "we're golden boy's eat my jet blast" attitude.
You guy's are the industry leaders in wages...Which I think is great...But when the hedges run out how are you going to maintain your cost advantage? Where are the cuts coming from? Is there much fat at SWA? What if you have a couple of bad quarters? Do you think Wall St. will cut you any slack?
No...they will be screaming "Southwest...highest labor cost in airline industry!" .
Just something to think about.
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WNjetdoc
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You need to gather your thoughts and make one single point. First you say we are, "not a big boy", then you tell us to "enjoy our time at the top". From your post we CAN be at the top, yet NOT even be a big boy? Sending some mixed signals, IMO. :blink:
You also say we have "nowhere to go but down". Lets think about that for a second. If we are not even a "big boy" yet, as you say, does that not leave us somewhere else to go?
Perhaps if you would just stop thinking SWA is the bad guy and out to get you things would settle down in your life. SWA may not have continued to make profits if not for the hedging, who knows? This airline has found a way to make profits even when things are tough. We made money post 9-11 when EVERY other airline lost money, why? Fuel wasn't a issue, hedging wasn't the reason. I can tell you that unlike other airlines it wasn't from cutting pay, cutting people, etc.
We did lose money in one quarter during the Gulf war, so we are not immune from losing money. This company just knows how to cut costs and keep us profitable. Will we always stay profitable, again who knows?
I do know since we are not a "big boy" then perhaps one day we can be one? Will you let us be one? Imagine one day, if we can, as you say, be at the top and ALSO be a big boy? We will be unstoppable, .
You also say we have "nowhere to go but down". Lets think about that for a second. If we are not even a "big boy" yet, as you say, does that not leave us somewhere else to go?
Perhaps if you would just stop thinking SWA is the bad guy and out to get you things would settle down in your life. SWA may not have continued to make profits if not for the hedging, who knows? This airline has found a way to make profits even when things are tough. We made money post 9-11 when EVERY other airline lost money, why? Fuel wasn't a issue, hedging wasn't the reason. I can tell you that unlike other airlines it wasn't from cutting pay, cutting people, etc.
We did lose money in one quarter during the Gulf war, so we are not immune from losing money. This company just knows how to cut costs and keep us profitable. Will we always stay profitable, again who knows?
I do know since we are not a "big boy" then perhaps one day we can be one? Will you let us be one? Imagine one day, if we can, as you say, be at the top and ALSO be a big boy? We will be unstoppable,
. darkclouds said:Yeah! I hate to burst your bubble, but enjoy your time at the top, you got nowhere to go but down.
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WNjetdoc
Veteran
darkclouds said:No...I'm in the interstate coach business like you!
Don't mean to come across as a smartass...but the arrogance diplayed here is annoying. Face it....if you were'nt hedged you would be losing bucks like everyone else.
The guy's at NWA..Delta...UAL...all thought they were immune from financial pitfalls. The industry is changing fast...the SWA niche is getting crowded and who knows what is around the corner.
I like the old SWA "aw shucks..were just good ole boy's"Â attitude than the "we're golden boy's eat my jet blast" attitude.
You guy's are the industry leaders in wages...Which I think is great...But when the hedges run out how are you going to maintain your cost advantage? Where are the cuts coming from? Is there much fat at SWA? What if you have a couple of bad quarters? Do you think Wall St. will cut you any slack?
No...they will be screaming "Southwest...highest labor cost in airline industry!" .
Just something to think about.
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You speak of arrogance and golden boy in your post. I don't know where you are coming from with this. I have seen one or two posters here who may be classified as being arrogrant however how can a few posters opinions on a bb enable you to formulate an opinion on how EVERYONE at WN feels? Im not even sure those posters actually work for WN, they could be trolls.
Thats like me figuring that EVERYONE that works at your "interstate" company thinks and acts like you, YIKES.
As for our pay, yes we are fairly compenstated, however we do more work with less people. We are not fat, thats for sure. We can offset costs by growing, however you seem to interept growth as being arrogant and eating my jet blasts. I would think no matter what WN did you would use it as a reason to beeach and moan.
As I said in my previous post, we have had a losing quarter, during the Gulf War, did we crash and burn? Noooo, we survived and made it through that period.
PERHAPS we have some of the highest wages in the commerical airline passenger transport business, however that doesn't necessarily equate to the HIGHEST LABOR COSTS, as you say. If you have productivity to go along with wages then I think they can offsete each other. I know you do not like to read this.
WNjetdoc
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darkclouds, WNJETFIXER asked you if you worked in the airline industry, you made a smart @ss comment saying no. I did some research on your posts, here is one: Im not saying you were actually saying you didn't work in airline industry but either you were really being a smart@ss or figured we all knew you worked for UAL. I don't post here enough to know who is who, except for WNBubbleBoy. Since its sometimes difficult to detect attempts at humor on a bb I thought by your post that you infact were not in the airline industry.
*****" FishFace are you sure you worked for United?
Pay and work rules for Shuttle pilots was different from Mainline. I flew both and some pilots would not bid Shuttle because of that.
Now we have Narrow body and Wide body work rules...the narrow body guy's work harder and pay for the bus dropped substaintially to the 737 pay rates. Most want off the narrowbody because of the changes.
All narrow body pilots work at TED rates and rules."******
A majority of your posts are on the UAL board. I read all of your posts and you made reference to working for UAL as a pilot. Perhaps you were just trying, lamely, to be funny, I dunno, regardless, you are putting blame on WN for your current plight.
I don't know what your problem is but hating SWA is counter productive. I used to work for U for 6 years. I was bumped around the system for the ENTIRE 6 years, did I piss and moan and blame someone else for my situation? No, I went out and got another job...a much, much, much better job.
Sitting around all day on a bean bag chair, watching porn and eating Cheetos with orange fingers and a orange "willie" isn't the way to go pal.
"Dont mean to come across as a smart@ss".
*****" FishFace are you sure you worked for United?
Pay and work rules for Shuttle pilots was different from Mainline. I flew both and some pilots would not bid Shuttle because of that.
Now we have Narrow body and Wide body work rules...the narrow body guy's work harder and pay for the bus dropped substaintially to the 737 pay rates. Most want off the narrowbody because of the changes.
All narrow body pilots work at TED rates and rules."******
A majority of your posts are on the UAL board. I read all of your posts and you made reference to working for UAL as a pilot. Perhaps you were just trying, lamely, to be funny, I dunno, regardless, you are putting blame on WN for your current plight.
I don't know what your problem is but hating SWA is counter productive. I used to work for U for 6 years. I was bumped around the system for the ENTIRE 6 years, did I piss and moan and blame someone else for my situation? No, I went out and got another job...a much, much, much better job.
Sitting around all day on a bean bag chair, watching porn and eating Cheetos with orange fingers and a orange "willie" isn't the way to go pal.
"Dont mean to come across as a smart@ss".
WNjetdoc
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Borescope said:
From my experience most politicians do not fly commerical a/c. I am retired from the DC Air Guard, we were usually flying politicians and high ranking military members around the world, thanks to the taxpayers.
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