COMPANY CHEERLEADERS?

[PITbull]

Spin,

U had been in BK the last 3 years. TWICE to be specific. Not a good track record. They forced labor to subsidize a FAILED business model because they didn't have the vision, hindsight, insight or foresight to figure out a workable new business plan. Besides Labor and the taxpayers, every creditor, lender, vendor, and shareholder were wiped out or lost huge by U's bankruptcies.

Bankruptcy is not a level playing field for any entity who has a stake in a company.

Its unfair for you to "slant" our/labor's past 3 year history while U was out screwing everything in its path by using the "bankruptcy loophole".

Give us a frick'en break! And the entire executive team got rewarded. And those DP yahoos expect silence? Or for union reps to shut up and move on?? Its ok for this to pervade to other companies as a "good thing"???

Unions useless/company good?? Cold day in hell...

700UW is correct. PositiveChange and improvements just doesn't happen. Execs are not looking to see how much of their profits, salary, bonus money, perks to erode by giving it to labor going forward.

Most change and "balance" for the working citizens that has occured in this great nation of ours came by force, not by "good will" from the rich and powerful.

 

[SpinDoc]

Spin,

U had been in BK the last 3 years. TWICE to be specific. Not a good track record. They forced labor to subsidize an FAILED business model because they didn't have the vision, hindsight, insight of forsight to figure out a workable plan.

Bankruptcy is not a level playing field for any entity who has a stake in a company.

Its unfair for you to "slant" our/labor's past 3 year history while U was out screwing everything in its path by using the "bankruptcy loophole".

PitBull:

I agree that conditions over the past
3 years have not been great due to BK.
I fully recognize that you and lavman
are ardent supporters of trade unions,
and my posts are not meant as personal
attacks. I am only trying to point out
the fact that unions no longer have
the power and influence they once had
in the airline game.

With NW, DL, and UA also in BK, the
power of the unions will continue to
decline. There may be a time of
union resurgence in the future if this
"sick" industry begins to see profits,
but the game has changed significantly.

US Airways as a company has made a
large number of tactical errors over
the years, and upper management is
directly responsible for those errors.
They led to two CH11 visits, which in
most industries, would have resulted in
permanent shut down of the company.

Things have not been a picnic for
lower level management employees
either, and most have seen significant
declines in real income and working
conditions. Upper management at the
"new" US is not much different than
the old US. They are still abusing the
lower level employees, I suppose in
an effort to get them to quit
before severance benefits can be
realized when their department is
eliminated and moved to Tempe.

So in these respects, union members
and lower level management employees
are in similar positions. I will just
be happy on my last day when I can
finally walk out of this industry
and find work with an organization
that values their employees, and is
not in BK for more than 50% of my
tenure there.

 

[Zeus]

We didn't force labor to do anything that was not negotiated with the unions and then ratified by each group. The business plan allowed the company to complete a merger. The executives were paid a modest salary compared with other major corporations in the DC/VA area. Don't forget that we participated in salary reductions too. It was imperative that we maintained the vast talent within our management group. Pitbull, you will never understand why these difficult decisions were made to protect the company and to secure your future.

 

[PITbull]

Spin,

Understood an now agree. Nice retort and post.

And may I add, as an aside, I wish you well and happy holidays 🙂

We didn't force labor to do anything that was not negotiated with the unions and then ratified by each group. The business plan allowed the company to complete a merger. The executives were paid a modest salary compared with other major corporations in the DC/VA area. Don't forget that we participated in salary reductions too. It was imperative that we maintained the vast talent within our management group. Pitbull, you will never understand why these difficult decisions were made to protect the company and to secure your future.

Abrogation and liquidation threats and bk worked everytime. You are right...I will never understand how a BOD or investors could approve salary increases and bonuses for failed business plans. And how wall street could think to invest in a company that emerged from bk with no changed business model and some of the same Execs who operated U-East. A merger a business plan? It was a cop out, and thank god AWA bought into it and saved the 22,000 employees who are left. For me, I opted out. The new wage, radical lifestyle changes and pension dump doesn't work for me and isn't worth the risks of a flying profession post 9/11.

 

[Phantom Fixer]

We didn't force labor to do anything that was not negotiated with the unions and then ratified by each group. The business plan allowed the company to complete a merger. The executives were paid a modest salary compared with other major corporations in the DC/VA area. Don't forget that we participated in salary reductions too. It was imperative that we maintained the vast talent within our management group. Pitbull, you will never understand why these difficult decisions were made to protect the company and to secure your future.

Zeus,

You self-serving moron. Labor had what choices? Ratify crap or be blamed for the "Forced Liquidation" of the company. Your teams own words. We know you have already obsolved yourself for any troubles along the way...so take your perks and millions and be gone..and never darken our door again.

Modest Salaries in comparison to the DC/VA area my A$$...again, compare yourself to the entire industry...as you have compared labor to. You lumped us against only the start up LCC's for compensation purposes. You can't have it both ways and be right or remotely honest unless the comparisons are HEAD to HEAD in any and all respects...regardless of geographic location. You chose U and DCA..just like a U Mech chose DCA/BOS or another HIGH cost of living area over bidding PIT or CLT.

Maintained a Vast amount of talent you say?...NO we compensated a lot of "Do Nothings" and doled out "Golden Parachutes" to people with no strategy but to pilfer , profit and run....and what is being Maintaned , is heavily slanted toward the WEST...so again more parting gifts to the "Band of Losers" in upper ranks of the departing EAST

 

[700UW]

Pitbull and Phantom Fixer, could have not said it better myself.

 

[calibrator]

Pitbull and Phantom Fixer, could have not said it better myself.

Very True

 

[Dog Wonder]

The executives were paid a modest salary.

These are not cheap whores, but they do have a modest price.

 

[gonzo]

Good job Phantom Fixer.

🙂

 

[speedbird86]

The executives were paid a modest salary compared with other major corporations in the DC/VA area. Don't forget that we participated in salary reductions too.

Not to mention some "modest" bonuses for those executives.

Tell us Zeus, were any of the other major corporations in the DC/VA area led into bankrupcy not once but twice and kept their modest salaries with their modest bonuses?

And what about the executives participation in salary reductions? What were they again? <_<

The business plan allowed the company to complete a merger.

One more thing. The only business plan these executives could come up with was to stick it to labor. They never had a business plan until AWA came along and gave them one.

 

[gonzo]

Pitbull, you will never understand why these difficult decisions were made to protect the company and to secure your future.

For some reason I believe that Pitbull will understand those "difficult decisions" that you mention sueZ. Give it your best try to explain the reasons for those difficult decisions. If you have the courage......sueZ. 🙂