Company says it will not entertain parity

[700UW]

Gee where is the spinmeister with his top secret info now?

 

[Junebug172]

So AWA320 is management huh? Mighty combative for management. They are usually more diplomatic.

A320 Driver B)

Didn't say he was management. But he doesn't post second handed info on these boards like some people. Right A320?

How's that pay parity thing going for you east guys?

 

[nycbusdriver]

THIS THREAD SHOULD BE A WARNING TO ALL OTHER PILOT GROUPS.

STAY AWAY FROM ANY MERGERS!!!!!!!!!!!

AWA would have been better off picking up the pieces in a liquidation sale.

You didn't have enough money in the bank to put a lock on the front doors to the Tempe HQ.

Even if there were a liquidation sale, what would you have used to take part? Wampum?

 

[A320 Driver]

Didn't say he was management. But he doesn't post second handed info on these boards like some people. Right A320?

How's that pay parity thing going for you east guys?

NOT TOO GOOD! Hows that Captain checkout thing going for you West guys?



You didn't have to say AWA320 was management. Your message was loud and clear.

A320 Driver B)

B)

THIS THREAD SHOULD BE A WARNING TO ALL OTHER PILOT GROUPS.

STAY AWAY FROM ANY MERGERS!!!!!!!!!!!

AWA would have been better off picking up the pieces in a liquidation sale.

WITH WHAT? Your stunning good looks? You guys had less cash than we did.


A320 Driver B)

 

[Junebug172]

NOT TOO GOOD! Hows that Captain checkout thing going for you West guys?

A320 Driver B)

I'll see the left seat before you see pay parity, that's for sure!!!

You didn't have to say AWA320 was management. Your message was loud and clear.

A320 Driver B)

If my message was lout and clear, why did you write this in a previous post:

"So AWA320 is management huh? Mighty combative for management"

Senility would explain alot of your posts.

 

[Borescope]

You didn't have enough money in the bank to put a lock on the front doors to the Tempe HQ.

Even if there were a liquidation sale, what would you have used to take part? Wampum?

We're talking PIT...........not Tempe. There we're plenty of airlines looking for slots, gates, etc.

 

[USA320Pilot]

JuneBug,

JuneBug said: "Its over for your equal pay BS."

USA320Pilot asks: I beleive pilots should support other pilots in their attempt to obtain a pay raise. It appears from your post you do not support the East pilots effort to obtain pay parity. Is that true?

As for the company not agreeing to pay parity...o.k., they have that right and the East pilots have the right to not grant Q-400 scope relief, the Company may have to turn to "Plan B" and the 64-seat ATR to replace the Dash-8 and there will be no joint contract.

Thus, the AWA pilots will not get a pay raise either and maintain their current seniority with stagnation.

Rueters recently reported, according to US Airways spokeswoman Andrea Rader said, however, that the airline has plenty of incentive to see its pilots unions fully integrated. There are countless efficiencies and cost advantages associated with integration, she said. "It's better for the company to operate with one contract," Rader said. "It's more efficient, and it gives our employees more flexibility."

Click here for the story.

However, the company and the AWA pilots will not be able to integrate and obtain a joint contract until their is an acceptable solution to the Nicolau Award for the US Airways pilots.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[ClueByFour]

JuneBug,

JuneBug said: "Its over for your equal pay BS."

USA320Pilot asks: I beleive pilots should support other pilots in their attempt to obtain a pay raise. It appears from your post you do not support the East pilots effort to obtain pay parity. Is that true?

Irony alert at 11!

USA320Pilot wrote:

If the AWA pilots do go into Section VI negotiations and the proceeding goes to a strike, most US Airways pilots I have talked to indicate they would continue to fly.


It is my understanding the US Airways MEC's comment of "just say no" means decertify ALPA, elect another union (probably the Teamsters), never agree to a joint contract, go to Section VI negotiations some time in 2010, not support an AWA strike if their Section VI negotiations go that far in four to five years, and then after 7 or 8 years with a lot of East Coast attrition and international growth see what happens.

In the meantime the AWA pilots will have to enter into Section VI negotiations on their own and if the pilots strike, how many US Airways East pilots do you believe would cross your picket line to break the strike? From what I am hearing almost all of the East pilots.

If the AWA pilot Section VI negotiations ever went to a 30-day cooling off period and a strike, how many US Airways East pilots would cross the AWA picket line?


Takes a whole lot of chaputz to make statements like that and then question why people out West might not quite support the idea of the East getting a pay raise.

Moreover, there is a very simple and previously defined avenue for your pay raise--the JNC.

So, if Junebug asked you if you would honor a West strike, what would the answer be? I anticipate some mumbling about "honoring the transition agreement," which, if the AWA folks actually have to go Section 6 and to a strike is a joke anyway, but entertain us. Ducking and weaving around one's own statements makes for entertainment that exceeds cable in most places these days......

PS, I mentioned that this is what would happen. I could ask "how could one be so wrong," but then the irony meter would peg on this post.....

 

[Cactus737]

[USA320Pilot asks: I beleive pilots should support other pilots in their attempt to obtain a pay raise. It appears from your post you do not support the East pilots effort to obtain pay parity. Is that true?

We're supporting you getting a pay raise in joint negotiations. So do you support our efforts to obtain stock options? I suppose your parity proposal included a proposal to bring West 757 rates up to the East scale.

As for the company not agreeing to pay parity...o.k., they have that right and the East pilots have the right to not grant Q-400 scope relief, the Company may have to turn to "Plan B" and the 64-seat ATR to replace the Dash-8 and there will be no joint contract.

If you think the value of Q400 scope relief comes anywhere near the value of parity, then you're dumber than I thought.

Thus, the AWA pilots will not get a pay raise either and maintain their current seniority with stagnation.

Section 6 and Westward shifting of block hours. Stop kidding yourself.

Rueters recently reported, according to US Airways spokeswoman Andrea Rader said, however, that the airline has plenty of incentive to see its pilots unions fully integrated. There are countless efficiencies and cost advantages associated with integration, she said. "It's better for the company to operate with one contract," Rader said. "It's more efficient, and it gives our employees more flexibility."

Click here for the story.

However, the company and the AWA pilots will not be able to integrate and obtain a joint contract until their is an acceptable solution to the Nicolau Award for the US Airways pilots.

You just don't get it do you - the Nicolau Award IS a compromise and that's as far as it's going to go. If you really believe that East attrition is an ace in the hole, then you should play the card already instead of pretending like you hold it.

If I were you, I'd read the TA before I bet my nickel on West being stagnant with separate ops.

BTW - looks like you did pretty well in the Nicolau Award.

Irony alert at 11!

USA320Pilot wrote:

If the AWA pilots do go into Section VI negotiations and the proceeding goes to a strike, most US Airways pilots I have talked to indicate they would continue to fly.
It is my understanding the US Airways MEC's comment of "just say no" means decertify ALPA, elect another union (probably the Teamsters), never agree to a joint contract, go to Section VI negotiations some time in 2010, not support an AWA strike if their Section VI negotiations go that far in four to five years, and then after 7 or 8 years with a lot of East Coast attrition and international growth see what happens.

In the meantime the AWA pilots will have to enter into Section VI negotiations on their own and if the pilots strike, how many US Airways East pilots do you believe would cross your picket line to break the strike? From what I am hearing almost all of the East pilots.

If the AWA pilot Section VI negotiations ever went to a 30-day cooling off period and a strike, how many US Airways East pilots would cross the AWA picket line?
Takes a whole lot of chaputz to make statements like that and then question why people out West might not quite support the idea of the East getting a pay raise.

Moreover, there is a very simple and previously defined avenue for your pay raise--the JNC.

So, if Junebug asked you if you would honor a West strike, what would the answer be? I anticipate some mumbling about "honoring the transition agreement," which, if the AWA folks actually have to go Section 6 and to a strike is a joke anyway, but entertain us. Ducking and weaving around one's own statements makes for entertainment that exceeds cable in most places these days......

PS, I mentioned that this is what would happen. I could ask "how could one be so wrong," but then the irony meter would peg on this post.....

Boy I knew you guys were scum-bags, but scabs too? And you accuse US of "stealing jobs" LOL.

I heard a rumor of AWA being spun off so that AAA can merge with UAL. At first, I figured it was another scare-tactic rumor propagated by the AAA MEC, but now I'm convinced that it was started by an AWA pilot desperately hoping that the East guys become somebody else's enema.

 

[nostradamus]

That pesky little problem of furloughs when the next merger happens. How do we handle that again?


Cactus 737 quote

"Boy I knew you guys were scum-bags, but scabs too?"

Nostradamus asks

Do you consider drug runners scum bags?

 

[Cactus737]

That pesky little problem of furloughs when the next merger happens. How do we handle that again?

Your 18-year guys might get their jobs back at Burger King.

Cactus 737 quote

"Boy I knew you guys were scum-bags, but scabs too?"

Nostradamus asks

Do you consider drug runners scum bags?

Is that what you did while your were furloughed?

And I don't think drug runners cross picket lines.

 

[nostradamus]

Your 18-year guys might get their jobs back at Burger King.
Is that what you did while your were furloughed?

And I don't think drug runners cross picket lines.

They did in Australia.


Are your bottom 300 aware that they will be fodder after the next merger?

 

[767jetz]

Are your bottom 300 aware that they will be fodder after the next merger?

Not true. Most merger candidates reduced their workforce and operation significantly in the past 5 years. They are now mostly working with a severe shortage of manpower and are starting the process of hiring off the street. A merger would mean that manpower would actually be "right sized" for a change. In the case of East pilots already furloughed, they would remain at the bottom where they are now, and would be recalled to flying positions faster than through attrition alone.

Of course the new USAirways will never be able to participate in any further consolidation until their current mess is resolved. No one will touch a group with so much poison in their veins. It would be suicide.

With the way the East is dragging the process out, the East furloughs would be better off applying to UA, NW, DL, or CO and have a current flying position established prior to the next round of consolidation.

 

[Decertify]

I just heard thru official sources that the company has no plans to entertain parity. Looks like LOA 93 for the long haul boys and girls, unless you wise up and get a contract. I'm holding out for UAL or even NWA or any carrier at this point. The whole decert effort on the east if it ever had any real legs at all will be the shortest in the history of unions

Now for this meeting on the 17th, you know the one not covered by CB&L or any reference what so ever in merger policy. Here's our offer, since you really have nothing in which to offer. Show up ready with furlough protection in the neighborhood of the first 2500 come off the east list prior to reaching Dave Odell. You come in with that then maybe our people will listen, anything else is uncivilized! 😉

Congratulations this has to be the most spiteful and sick statement I have ever seen on any web board. I feel sorry for you. Some advice; Be careful what you say and wish for as it will certainly come back to you.
Idea; You reap your upgrades /seniority and the east keeps theirs. If you want the easts tell the truth and admit it?!
Guarantee; You will never have what we earned and the Nicolau award will never see the light of day of that you can count on.
final comments; act your age and not your shoe size . I feel sorry for all of us as the rediculous Nicolau award may sink this ship. It is unworkable and can not be fixed and we will not work under it.

 

[700UW]

Nope the sickiets is USA320Pilot saying he and other pilots would be a scab and cross a west picket line.