Company's Offer

[DFWTWUSPOUSE]

<_< ------- Sorry FrequentFlyer, not this time! The well is dry! It's your turn to pay now, not ours!!!! Now this is reality!!!The general public has had a free ride for TOOOOO long! You can't expect us to subsidize cheap fares any longer!

New member here, hi all. I agree with this statement. The flying public has to start paying the right price to fly. The employees should no longer subsidize cheap fares.

My husband has been with AA 20 yrs now. Started in Chicago, then Orlando, then Miami, then Chicago, and now Dallas for the last ten years. We have already had to file bankruptcy last year, even though we did everything we could to stay out of it. Lost all of our credit, lost our car, barely kept the house, credit is shot now, and the only creditor that objected was guess who, AA Credit Union. After everything they had the nerve to show up and object to our trying to discharge a $1000 loan, they were also the lowest creditor as to money owned. Fortunately, the judge blasted them and blamed them for our BK Filing, it was wonderful, lol.

Anyway, this offer is garbage. I can't believe it took them 7 weeks to come up with this. I wasn't expecting alot, but no way was I expecting something as pathetic as this. My husband will vote no if it comes to membership, and I truly hope all TWU members will vote no.

 

[FWAAA]

<_< ------- FW, As you know, the two largest things the government leaves out of their calculation of inflation are "FUEL", and "FOOD"! The two things that drive this economy are deliberately left out!

Sorry, MCI, but the numbers I posted include fuel and food. Read the link I provided.

Excluding those two items, inflation ran about 2.4% nationally for 2007.

We can certainly disagree about ideas and opinions, but can we at least agree on the BLS statistics as published by the BLS?

 

[MCI transplant]

Sorry, MCI, but the numbers I posted include fuel and food. Read the link I provided.

Excluding those two items, inflation ran about 2.4% nationally for 2007.

We can certainly disagree about ideas and opinions, but can we at least agree on the BLS statistics as published by the BLS?

<_< ----- FW, How much does it cost you to fill your car there in California? Or anywhere here in the US for that matter? What's the price of gas going to be a week from now? A month? A year? What's the cost of Diesel? Why? I believe most our food is trucked to us from somewhere! ----Have you bought a gallon of milk for your kids lately? How much did you pay for it compared to a year ago? Now I hate to sound like an alarmist, but it seems to me that things are getting worse, since your data as of Dec. of last year! Not better!

 

[FWAAA]

<_< ----- FW, How much does it cost you to fill your car there in California? Or anywhere here in the US for that matter? What's the price of gas going to be a week from now? A month? A year? What's the cost of Diesel? Why? I believe most our food is trucked to us from somewhere! ----Have you bought a gallon of milk for your kids lately? How much did you pay for it compared to a year ago? Now I hate to sound like an alarmist, but it seems to me that things are getting worse, since your data as of Dec. of last year! Not better!

No argument there. Premium is running about $4.39 in my part of LA; filling up the Escalade costs about $100. Good thing I don't drive it much.

The CPI for 2008 is likely to be higher than 2007 because of the explosion in fuel prices.

I do the grocery shopping, and milk is very expensive. So is ice cream. And cheese. Etc. Our monthly grocery budget is up about 20% since 2003.

I don't think you sound like an alarmist - the price of everything touched by fuel is high and likely to go higher.

 

[The Goose]

That's just plain unrealistic. This industry has undergone radical and permanent change in the last decade. Costs are higher, fares are lower and any gains you want in your contract are going to have to be paid for somehow - i.e. by an increase in productivity.

Not trying to rain on the TWU parade here, but people have to understand that the game has changed. 2001 is in the past and it's going to stay there.

Is it really unrealistic to ask the my employer run the company like a real business instead of an executive piggy bank? Hardly.

If the company is doing well enough in their targets for the execs to pocket a windfall (regardless of its source), it's not unrealistic to expect some of their promises to be fulfilled.

Our concessions gave the company breathing room. We (the union people) actually tried to better the operation, all the time wanting to believe what we were being told - "millions saved hither, thither and yon", only to hear "sorry - we can give ourselves millions but you people don't get anything as you're basically worthless". That just doesn't sit right with me and many others.

It really doesn't matter, though, how anyone will vote. The contract will be accepted by Little Jimmy if voted down - the SOB used union funds and went to court to get that action OKd.

 

[Cosworth]

<_< ------- Sorry FrequentFlyer, not this time! The well is dry! It's your turn to pay now, not ours!!!! Now this is reality!!!The general public has had a free ride for TOOOOO long! You can't expect us to subsidize cheap fares any longer!

Sorry but as long as there are airlines like SWA who can offer the same product (transportation from A to B) at a cheaper rate than you can you will be subsidizing the travel.

 

[American Air Surf]

Two year contract with NO RAISES Two year pay freeze
$3100 bone-us after first year
$2500 bone-us after second year
One more sick day for a total of six
All sick days at full pay
3 of the five vacation days a year returned to be used as "floaters"
2 holidays with Holiday pay at 2x


So in other words nothing.

Last year inflation ran at over 7%. If anything it will be even more over the next two years. We are already around 40% behind our 2002 rate. This would put us at around half pay by 2010.


Still dont even know what we asked for.

Getting down to brass tacks. All the Union members fulfilled their roll in the 2003 concessions. You are the "Sheep" that went to the slaughter, and willing gave the AA Exec their bonuses. You gave your all, with nothing else to give, except your job. That will come next when you go on strike, and AA goes into Bankruptcy. Now you have nothing else to give. Hopefully, you folks saved, invested, for a rainy day. If you put all your eggs into one basket "AA" thinking the good times would never end. You are now doomed, in the land called "Peak Oil". With an economy going in to recession, all backed up by the financial calamity on Wall Street, Housing & the Shadow Banking System. I hate to be negative, but you folks will have to give more to buy more new planes (energy efficient), and payoff AA's debt, that was incurred by Mr. Carty

You listened to the TWU, snake Oil salesmen, and there you have it. The only way out of this mess, is get rid of the TWU, and their inflated salaries. The card /s/ drive needs to start now.

 

[MCI transplant]

Getting down to brass tacks. All the Union members fulfilled their roll in the 2003 concessions. You are the "Sheep" that went to the slaughter, and willing gave the AA Exec their bonuses. You gave your all, with nothing else to give, except your job. That will come next when you go on strike, and AA goes into Bankruptcy. Now you have nothing else to give. Hopefully, you folks saved, invested, for a rainy day. If you put all your eggs into one basket "AA" thinking the good times would never end. You are now doomed, in the land called "Peak Oil". With an economy going in to recession, all backed up by the financial calamity on Wall Street, Housing & the Shadow Banking System. I hate to be negative, but you folks will have to give more to buy more new planes (energy efficient), and payoff AA's debt, that was incurred by Mr. Carty

You listened to the TWU, snake Oil salesmen, and there you have it. The only way out of this mess, is get rid of the TWU, and their inflated salaries. The card /s/ drive needs to start now.

<_< ------ Friend, we don't "have to" do anything! We have the power to shut this place down!!! People will only take so much before they say enough is enough! The big boy's are killing their meal ticket! And things could get ugly! But we are sailing in smaller, and smaller circles here and the pond is drying up! And sooner or later people will be desperate enough to find their back bone and say "NO MORE!!!" Screw the general public, and the big boys, They can walk! And so can we!!!!!! :angry:

 

[Cosworth]

We have the power to shut this place down!!!

That's the spirit. Cut your nose to spite your face. And you wonder why more and more look at the unions/members and laugh?

 

[MCI transplant]

That's the spirit. Cut your nose to spite your face. And you wonder why more and more look at the unions/members and laugh?

<_< -----Or better still! Stay on the property and get creative! 🙄 Same results!

 

[wingit88]

That's just plain unrealistic. This industry has undergone radical and permanent change in the last decade. Costs are higher, fares are lower and any gains you want in your contract are going to have to be paid for somehow - i.e. by an increase in productivity.

Not trying to rain on the TWU parade here, but people have to understand that the game has changed. 2001 is in the past and it's going to stay there.

I'm a pretty realistic guy and understand the days of past are gone. I'm not expecting the world, but it still smarts when you remember what was and live by what will never be.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

That's the spirit. Cut your nose to spite your face. And you wonder why more and more look at the unions/members and laugh?

Cosworth,

Your opinion is not based upon living the life of an airline employee. Are you an AMT? So before you go making a statement like the one above step out from behind the keyboard.

Spirit? Yes, that is the word to use. AMTs are a spirted bunch and no, we are not cutting off our noses. If people, like yourself, "laugh" at unions/members then it simply shows your ignorance at the ability to comprehend what is happening to the cost of living in this country. It is about economics.

As this thread is titled, "Company's Offer", we unions/members have a right to speak our minds. Your post reeks of management mentality. ONLY management would even consider offering such a joke. Remember the word spirit? Well, in the "spirit" of saving AA AMTs took it in the rear. In the "spirit" of our sacrifices management felt it important to take bonuses. What meaning of "spirit" do you refer to?

NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, but full return of everything that was taken, uhm, I mean given up, PLUS adjusted for inflation AND improvments in pay & benefits will result in anything but a NO VOTE and the removal of the twu from AA property if the twu attempts to pedal another crap sandwhich.

AA is NOT losing money. AA keeps Cargo seperate and attempts to act if the two, cargo and AA, are completely different. We are not. Let a BK judge look at the way AA hides the numbers when they threaten a possible BK.

 

[Bob Owens]

Sorry but as long as there are airlines like SWA who can offer the same product (transportation from A to B) at a cheaper rate than you can you will be subsidizing the travel.

Wrong, it proves that we are subsidizing management. If SWA can provide the same product , charge less and pay their employees more then the management of the company is to blame. Their inadequacy means that we ahve to work for less.

 

[bigdawg52]

<_< ------- Sorry FrequentFlyer, not this time! The well is dry! It's your turn to pay now, not ours!!!! Now this is reality!!!The general public has had a free ride for TOOOOO long! You can't expect us to subsidize cheap fares any longer!

I am a firat time poster, so here I go. If that is the contract proposal, and I say if, you hve to take it.

And trust me I would not be happy with it either but will take it. With oil at around 125$ a barrel, we will get nothing throough a new set of negotiations. In two years, we will see where this company is at. Then try too recoup what we have lost. But right now is not the time. The one thing that I am still mad about is the 35 million given to the execs. Now to be fair why not give the twu 35 million to split among its rank and file, now I do not know what this would amount to each member but I sure think it would be better than the 3500. Your thoughts

 

[title1 for life]

Just sitting here waiting to read the actual contract language in the Fort Worth StAAr . Now that I have seen the teaser story in this mornings paper it was about what I expected. When the local union reps say there is no news you can be sure to wake up and read all about it in the paper.

In the 19 years I have been here my pay has averaged about 1.5% a year increase. Not to mention the short lived 2001 pay scale that was almost a cruel joke. Having it then losing it caused considerable damage to many family's. Now it's time for the TWU and company to once again sell a give back. And believe me they always have made it sound as if it was the end of aviation as we know it.

To be honest with all of the contract maintenance we have done over the last few years the cost of our salary and benefits were most likely the lowest in the industry. Yet once again we will be told the well is dry for our mechanic and related group.We will watch this latest give back pass and other groups reap far better contracts.

And so the turbine spins here at the they can do that airline. I am sure the union and company spent far more energy defending it's self against the AMFA drive than they did our contract negotiations. Just plug me back into the matrix so I can happily generate power or uh revenue for the company .