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cltrat said:
what that player posted on Twitter will be minor to some things he'll likely hear in the trenches during a game
 
I've honest sympathy for this youngster in advance. At the highest levels of any sport, well...being politically correct, or not, counts for NOTHING, and he's now willfully placed himself in the position of being the gay society's defacto "representative" and great hope, with only modest background accomplishments compared to his soon-to-be peers on the NFL's football fields. The odds are just not favorable for him. People sometimes rise to the occasion and do amazing things though, so only time will tell.
 
Uhmmmm even Fox News says 52% of Americans support same sex marriage, but I'm not surprised you're so uninformed
 
EastUS1 said:
I've honest sympathy for this youngster in advance. At the highest levels of any sport, well...being politically correct, or not, counts for NOTHING, and he's now willfully placed himself in the position of being the gay society's defacto "representative" and great hope, with only modest background accomplishments compared to his soon-to-be peers on the NFL's football fields. The odds are just not favorable for him. People sometimes rise to the occasion and do amazing things though, so only time will tell.
And some think the sh!t has hit the fan, already!
Just wait until the Rams decide to cut or trade him!
 
what that player posted on Twitter will be minor to some things he'll likely hear in the trenches during a game
This will give ammo to the "bullying" crowds.
 
AdAstraPerAspera said:
Uhmmmm even Fox News says 52% of Americans support same sex marriage, but I'm not surprised you're so uninformed
I have been very vocal about not accepting statistics and polls. They are based off of junk science and are too easy to manipulate
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http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/gop-poll-gay-marriage-105886.html
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]The survey by the GOP polling firm Wilson Research Strategies was of Republican and Republican-leaning independents [/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt]and was taken over a month ago, sampling 801 people nationwide from March 18 through 20, with a 3.5 percent margin of error.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]The survey showed 82 percent agreeing with a statement that marriage should be between “one man and one woman.” It also found that 75 percent disagreed that “politicians should support the redefinition of marriage to include same-sex couples.”[/SIZE]
 
A number of influential Republicans and elected GOP officials have voiced support for same-sex marriage, and public polling has shown independent voters increasingly supporting it.
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http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2014/0327/Poll-finds-broad-rapid-shift-among-Americans-toward-gay-marriage
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]The poll, [/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt]conducted for a gay rights organization[/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt], found that support for same-sex marriage is highest among young adults, with 75 percent approval among those ages 18 to 29. Among that group, 58 percent said they are strongly in favor, compared with 13 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds identified as strongly opposed.[/SIZE]
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http://www.freedomtomarry.org/resources/entry/marriage-polling
Last Updated March 5, 2014
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]Record High Support: A 2014 Washington Post/ABC News poll shows [/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt]59% [/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt]of voters nationwide support the freedom to marry. 50% or more of Americans in every region of the country support the freedom to marry[/SIZE]
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I have proven to you before a poll was funded by a liberal foundation. I have given you 3 examples on this post of why I don’t accept statistics and polls.  The first was poll was taken by a right leaning company. It said exactly what they wanted it to say. The second was poll was taken by a gay rights organization. It said exactly what they wanted it to say.  The last one produced a number that was vastly different than yours.
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]They can’t all be right can they?[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]I have made my case. Statistics and polls are tools of the media to influence the weak minded. I see they found a target in you.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]If so many Americans support gay marriage why is it being IMPOSED on the American people.[/SIZE]
 
 
 
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La Li Lu Le Lo said:
Spoken like a true liberal.
 
I am not overly religions (as I have stated many many times) and I do not agree with gay marriage. Your argument is flawed. 
 
Then you are turning a deaf ear. I have made a post on this very forum referencing just that very idea. I even stated in that post that I would view that as an "acceptable" compromise. Gays wanting to call it marriage is just a component of their agenda to normalize their deviant behavior in the public eye. You hear what you want to hear. You hear what supports your atheist agenda.
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]Next you will be telling us a four year old should be able to drive a car because making them wait until they are 16 to get a state issued driver's license is biased. Preposterous.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]Would you make that [/SIZE]argument[SIZE=10.5pt] for an incestial couple seeking a marriage license? I bet you would. Because you are warped. [/SIZE]
If you are going to quote me at least put it in context.  With out the link to Eolesen comment my reply has nothing to do with what you want it to mean.
 
The religious right does not agree with marriage equality and they are the majority advocating against it.  
 
What you and a few other are proposing is not what the majority of the people against marriage equality are proposing.
 
If someone proposes a law that only certain 4 yr olds can/cannot drive a car then yes.  On the other hand if a law is proposed that all 4 yrs olds should be able to drive then I have no problem with that as it treats everyone the same.  
 
This is a very simple concept.  Laws must address everyone equally.  
 
Incest?  Right up their with pedophilia and bestiality.  Signs of a lost argument.  
 
La Li Lu Le Lo said:
Alleged violations of the False Claims Act and the Procurement Integrity Act
In July 2013, the United States Department of Justice announced that Gallup had agreed to pay $10.5 million to settle allegations that it violated the False Claims Act and the Procurement Integrity Act for conduct involving several of its federal government contracts and subcontracts.
 
Gallup is in the media game. They do what sells just like any other media company. They are hardly above reproach.
 
You need to read what I actually said. I was referring to the last time you posted a poll making that very same claim. I do not know where you pulled this polling info from (I assume Gallup).
Washington Post
 
Santa Fe NM
 
Gallup
 
LA Times
 
Pew
 
Hell, even FOX News has a poll showing that 49% of the US favors marriage equality.  Are they bias too?
 
 
There are countless others but I guess they are all in cahoots with each other.  
 
xUT said:
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That's freaking hillarious
 
La Li Lu Le Lo said:
I have been very vocal about not accepting statistics and polls. They are based off of junk science and are too easy to manipulate
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/gop-poll-gay-marriage-105886.html
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]The survey by the GOP polling firm Wilson Research Strategies was of Republican and Republican-leaning independents [/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt]and was taken over a month ago, sampling 801 people nationwide from March 18 through 20, with a 3.5 percent margin of error.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]The survey showed 82 percent agreeing with a statement that marriage should be between “one man and one woman.” It also found that 75 percent disagreed that “politicians should support the redefinition of marriage to include same-sex couples.”[/SIZE]
 
A number of influential Republicans and elected GOP officials have voiced support for same-sex marriage, and public polling has shown independent voters increasingly supporting it.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2014/0327/Poll-finds-broad-rapid-shift-among-Americans-toward-gay-marriage
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]The poll, [/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt]conducted for a gay rights organization[/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt], found that support for same-sex marriage is highest among young adults, with 75 percent approval among those ages 18 to 29. Among that group, 58 percent said they are strongly in favor, compared with 13 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds identified as strongly opposed.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________[/SIZE]
http://www.freedomtomarry.org/resources/entry/marriage-polling
Last Updated March 5, 2014
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]Record High Support: A 2014 Washington Post/ABC News poll shows [/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt]59% [/SIZE][SIZE=10.5pt]of voters nationwide support the freedom to marry. 50% or more of Americans in every region of the country support the freedom to marry[/SIZE]
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
I have proven to you before a poll was funded by a liberal foundation. I have given you 3 examples on this post of why I don’t accept statistics and polls.  The first was poll was taken by a right leaning company. It said exactly what they wanted it to say. The second was poll was taken by a gay rights organization. It said exactly what they wanted it to say.  The last one produced a number that was vastly different than yours.
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]They can’t all be right can they?[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]I have made my case. Statistics and polls are tools of the media to influence the weak minded. I see they found a target in you.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]If so many Americans support gay marriage why is it being IMPOSED on the American people.[/SIZE]
 
 
 
[SIZE=10.5pt] [/SIZE]
And yet when you look at the accuracy of polls taken by Gallup for elections they are remarkably accurate.  Just because you do not believe in them does not make them unreliable.  Yes it does matter how questions are asked and that is why you look at several polls.  Or as in your case you can ignore them all and deny reality.  Different strokes for different folks.
 
La Li Lu Le Lo said:
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]If so many Americans support gay marriage why is it being IMPOSED on the American people.[/SIZE]
 
 Because a majority of the state legislatures and governors are against it and because a most folks who are for marriage equality will not be bothered to go out and vote for it.  Does not apply to them.  That and the fact that it violates the 14th so the courts have to do what the states will not.
 
Using a single survey as a data point will always be skewed based on how the questions are framed.

Looking at multiple surveys helps mitigate that somewhat, but can still be skewed if the questions are framed in a similar manner.
 
Let me know when there is no one trying to trample my rights, concerning the 2nd, then we'll talk about dog's right to marry a man and everyone being on board with that!
 
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