"Cost neutral!"

[qwerty]

Burn fuel when you don't have to, burn that $3mil/day profit, burn that profit sharing cut, what do you expect management to do? Maybe come back to you for more concessions or increase your healthcare contribution?

Don't be ignorant, negotiate a contract that you can live with or move on (quit, strike, whatever), but don't burn money just because your union didn't get you a better deal.

Subsidizing the vacations of your customers? That's rich - let's burn away each of those pesky passengers too, that'll show the big bad "management". You know the management that subsidizes your life by providing you with a paycheck? Get a life. The bitter, whiny, woe-is-me pathetic victim is so played out here. Why don't you either stand up like a man (or woman) and fight or move on to some other battle.

 

[pilot]

Standing and showing Parker who contols his jets is PRECISELY what we are going to do. That is how we MUST negotiate with this type of management.

This isn't woe is me. This is, as you say, standing up to a management that doesn't believe any employee is an asset.

Subsidize my life by providing me with a paycheck? That's rich - Look up the word subsidize in the dictionary before you throw it around. Of course I suppose you think you are subsidized since you seem to put no value on what you do for a living.

pilot

 

[qwerty]

Standing and showing Parker who contols his jets is PRECISELY what we are going to do. That is how we MUST negotiate with this type of management.

This isn't woe is me. This is, as you say, standing up to a management that doesn't believe any employee is an asset.

pilot

A two engine taxi? The net effect of which makes some obscure fuel report a few points off of plan? That's not negotiation, that's childish.

Get a contract that works or refuse to provide your service.

 

[pitguy]

Parker needs to discipline the pilots who do not conserve fuel with one engine taxing if they are giving an order to do it. Safety has nothing to do with it. Make the pilots who fail to listen be unemployed. They accepted the contract now they need to live with it. If you don't like your job then quit. In the mean time quit whining like a baby.

 

[gabby]

Parker needs to discipline the pilots who do not conserve fuel with one engine taxing if they are giving an order to do it. Safety has nothing to do with it. Make the pilots who fail to listen be unemployed. They accepted the contract now they need to live with it. If you don't like your job then quit. In the mean time quit whining like a baby.

I hate it when people tell you to quit when the going gets rough. Do you tell your kids to quit each time they have a rough time? Or do you just tell them that if they believe they can make a difference then do whatever it takes.

If it takes us taxing on 2 engines or arriving late each time then so be it. We get paid by the hour and it is time we give eachother a raise. No faster than 250. Ever. 15 over block on each leg.

 

[chillers]

I won't do that. Why waste fuel. I will, however, no longer be doing anyone else's job...no calls for catering, no calls for lav service.. I used to care but now this airline only has to last as long as it takes me to retire. Afterthat, I'll give it about as much thought as it will give me... ZERO

Sounds like a good company to work for, where do i sign up?

 

[pilot]

Parker needs to discipline the pilots who do not conserve fuel with one engine taxing if they are giving an order to do it. Safety has nothing to do with it. Make the pilots who fail to listen be unemployed. They accepted the contract now they need to live with it. If you don't like your job then quit. In the mean time quit whining like a baby.

Obviously you're not a pilot. Get your facts straight. The company cannot and will not order pilots to taxi on one engine.

Why would that be? Care to hazard a guess?

I love my job. That's why I'm not going to quit. How's about them apples. What I'm going to do is to make absolutely certain I fly according to the policies and procedures the company and FAA have laid out in front of me. To the letter.

And here's hoping each and evey pilot at LCC does the same. Whining? Who's whining? You seem to equate posting opinions as whining. And, for the record, each of us is living with the contract we signed. You remember. The one we signed because they said if we didn't we would liquidate. We live with it each and every day.

It motivates us.

pilot

 

[Awa Contract]

You are focusing on the pilots you have other work groups that are in the same boat. Can't remember the last time I hustled out to a plane. All groups need to get this together - Kill Parkers CASHCOW and he will wake up.

 

[diogenes]

Punish me for following procedures?

Bring that action on!

 

[pitguy]

When you express your opinion you whine by what you are saying and sound like a small child. Oh my I have to cancel my alarm company. My family will be raped and tortured. Grow up and do your job and quit whining like a sissy girl. If not just quit! There are several pilots that will take your job for half the money.

 

[gabby]

There are several pilots that will take your job for half the money.

Remember you get what you pay for! ie: Mesa

Treat your employees like crap and pretty soon thats what you get back!

 

[qwerty]

I hate it when people tell you to quit when the going gets rough. Do you tell your kids to quit each time they have a rough time? Or do you just tell them that if they believe they can make a difference then do whatever it takes.

If it takes us taxing on 2 engines or arriving late each time then so be it. We get paid by the hour and it is time we give eachother a raise. No faster than 250. Ever. 15 over block on each leg.

Glad you brought up kids, because a lot of people here seem to be acting out, as if someone took there favorite toy and they are now throwing a tantrum.

Since you asked, if my kid was asked by someone of authority, a babysitter perhaps, to stop playing in the street, I'd want that kid to LISTEN UP. But since things are rough for your kid, with the loss of the street as a playground, you suggest they bend the rules, maybe only play in the street when no one is looking.

All I am saying is find a solution, you are supposed to be a professional. This is business, your union leaders may play tough and talk tough, but in the end they act like business people and make grown up choices using the facts and figures, not emotion.

You don't "have it rough", you make more money than 99.9% of the people on this planet, and you have a home you can choose to protect with an alarm. You have the option of sending your kids to college, you have the option of flying planes for a living and you have the option to work and support your company (or strike should you be legally released to do so). You work in an industry and for a company that has had a rough ride, and probably will for some time. You were asked by your boss (a pilot by the way) to help that company in the hopes it continues to exist and provide you with employment. You can accept it, contiune to negotiate for all the benefits for which you feel you are entitled, and either strike or move on should you not get what you want or you can continue to play in the street. If your ultimate goal is to get what you want or bring it all down, I think you'd garner a lot more respect if you at least did it standing up and walking the line - not hiding behind some childish game of gotcha.

 

[legacy-to-LCC]

Glad you brought up kids, because a lot of people here seem to be acting out, as if someone took there favorite toy and they are now throwing a tantrum.

Since you asked, if my kid was asked by someone of authority, a babysitter perhaps, to stop playing in the street, I'd want that kid to LISTEN UP. But since things are rough for your kid, with the loss of the street as a playground, you suggest they bend the rules, maybe only play in the street when no one is looking.

All I am saying is find a solution, you are supposed to be a professional. This is business, your union leaders may play tough and talk tough, but in the end they act like business people and make grown up choices using the facts and figures, not emotion.

You don't "have it rough", you make more money than 99.9% of the people on this planet, and you have a home you can choose to protect with an alarm. You have the option of sending your kids to college, you have the option of flying planes for a living and you have the option to work and support your company (or strike should you be legally released to do so). You work in an industry and for a company that has had a rough ride, and probably will for some time. You were asked by your boss (a pilot by the way) to help that company in the hopes it continues to exist and provide you with employment. You can accept it, contiune to negotiate for all the benefits for which you feel you are entitled, and either strike or move on should you not get what you want or you can continue to play in the street. If your ultimate goal is to get what you want or bring it all down, I think you'd garner a lot more respect if you at least did it standing up and walking the line - not hiding behind some childish game of gotcha.

what a shallow analogy!

 

[pitguy]

What is 'shallow' is some of the U east SCAB pilots wanting sympathy. They are getting just what their group agreed to. Now suck it up and get back to work or quit.

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

So this U East 20 year copilot with poverty level retirement and no retired health benefits just found out how cost neutral works for those who don't get millions in stock options.

Cancelled the monitored alarm I depend on to keep my family safe while I'm 3000+ miles away. We can't affored it when we're trying to get the kids through school and save for a retirement looming.

Every penny counts these days and ending the alarm saves us $40 per month. So we save $40. and today, I get notice that our health insurance premiums will go up by....... you guessed it $40 a month.
:angry:

If you think it's bad for you, try doing it on the (real) poverty ramp wages....talk about pathetic and if we get sick you absolutely must drag yourself in to work as we actually lose a whole days pay if we call off...talk about a joke....