"Cost neutral!"

[luvn737s]

Well I think there's a grain of truth to the comment that the pilots willingly agreed to their concessions. Once you give the company something, you've got to be pretty naieve' to expect them to give it back. Now if the judge had imposed something against the pilot's will, then the call to arms would be justified. Only now is it dawning on people how hard-won those items conceded were. And I suspect it will take many times longer to get them back than it did to win them in the first place. Classic easy come, easy go.

 

[JAFA]

The company cannot and will not order pilots to taxi on one engine.

Why would that be? Care to hazard a guess?

Can't say I have the slightest clue, but I would be interested in reading the answer if you please.

I also was interested in how the 2 engine taxi is safer. Maybe since I am only asking without any accusations someone might be kind enough to post both answers.

 

[john john]

Don't be ignorant, negotiate a contract get you a better deal.
Why don't you either stand up like a man (or woman) and fight or move on to some other battle.

Using new fresh ideas we will be better equipped to deal with management we need ways to keep the company off balance and to use innovative tactics in order to reach our goals

 

[gabby]

You don't "have it rough", you make more money than 99.9% of the people on this planet, and you have a home you can choose to protect with an alarm.

I make $350/week flying a 33 million dollar jet. Don't tell me that i am well paid. It is disgusting. The media and management does a great job of misguiding the public. Now it is my job to slow things down and give myself a raise. No faster than 250!

 

[qwerty]

I make $350/week flying a 33 million dollar jet. Don't tell me that i am well paid. It is disgusting. The media and management does a great job of misguiding the public. Now it is my job to slow things down and give myself a raise. No faster than 250!

Making you a regional jet pilot. I responded to the intial poster who I surmized was a mainline pilot.

As an RJ pilot, why not throw a little blame at the union which protects mainline flight crews at your expense? Remember, you have to "pay your dues" according to the senior folks.

Everyone knows you are underpaid. But until you get your union to change its strategy and flatten the pay scales, you will continue to be underpaid with only the chance to some day make a real living at it.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

I make $350/week flying a 33 million dollar jet. Don't tell me that i am well paid. It is disgusting. The media and management does a great job of misguiding the public. Now it is my job to slow things down and give myself a raise. No faster than 250!

If you'll do the job for that kind of money, its your fault, not theirs. What gets me is just how many people will do the job for poverty level wages. The "carrot on a stick" of being able to get a better paying job at a major airline is all but done, unless you're lucky enough to get on with SWA or a cargo airline. Hint: if you qualify for food stamps, government aid or the earned income tax credit, you need to find a new line of work. Unfortunately, even pilots at major carriers qualify for these things now. I don't even know how other groups can make it at all.

 

[gabby]

If you'll do the job for that kind of money, its your fault, not theirs. What gets me is just how many people will do the job for poverty level wages. The "carrot on a stick" of being able to get a better paying job at a major airline is all but done, unless you're lucky enough to get on with SWA or a cargo airline. Hint: if you qualify for food stamps, government aid or the earned income tax credit, you need to find a new line of work. Unfortunately, even pilots at major carriers qualify for these things now. I don't even know how other groups can make it at all.

So its my fault for working for $350/week. It's my fault that the wages are this low. And i should just quit because that will make the industry change.

WOW,

I know where the blame belongs in regards to the present situation.

Rather than point fingers and do just as you would do. I will make my own personal changes. Rather than "I make US fly". It is going to be "I make my own raise". Because i get paid by the hour and most days i work 12 hrs and get paid for 4. I am going to make sure i get at least an additional hour per day. Thats 20 extra hours a month. Should be good for an additional $400. Pennies to you but a 25% raise for me. I couldn't care less about being on time or getting there on time. It's all about me from now on.

 

[kao]

You are focusing on the pilots you have other work groups that are in the same boat. Can't remember the last time I hustled out to a plane. All groups need to get this together - Kill Parkers CASHCOW and he will wake up.

you are so right....it is EVERY workgroup....

 

[luvn737s]

I make $350/week flying a 33 million dollar jet. Don't tell me that i am well paid. It is disgusting. The media and management does a great job of misguiding the public. Now it is my job to slow things down and give myself a raise. No faster than 250!

There is sophisticated flight monitoring software whose use lies outside FOQA protections which can monitor practically ALL flight parameters. If you choose to make yourself a target, that's your business. I suspect there are alot of people out there willing to build jet time regardless of pay.

You were one of them not so long ago.

Oh, and by the way, your job used to be done by folks making $3500 a week until they found guys willing to do it for $350/week.

You'll never shame anyone into a raise.

 

[FWAAA]

So its my fault for working for $350/week. It's my fault that the wages are this low. And i should just quit because that will make the industry change.

WOW,

I know where the blame belongs in regards to the present situation.

You're one of thousands of young men and women who contract "shiny jet syndrome" each year, are willing to fly one for much less than you should, and somehow that's my fault (or society's fault) and not yours?

Do what you love. But don't gripe when "what you love" doesn't pay as much as a clerk makes at Best Buy.

 

[Bear96]

If you'll do the job for that kind of money, its your fault, not theirs.

Like it or not, gabby, this precisely sums up the situation.

 

[gabby]

Like it or not, gabby, this precisely sums up the situation.

I have this crap contract because YOU sold regional pilots out. The jets should never have been at the regionals. I fly what they give me regardless of what it is. Bottom line is i don't care what i fly as long as i get paid.
The Jets are at regionals because you were too scared to stand up to management and say that those airplanes belong at mainline. Now we get B scale pay.
I never ever voted for a contract like this. The only thing i can do to make a difference is saying NO to anything they offer and then go on strike. I couldn't care less if the company folds. I will strike for as long as it takes. But you know what? I will get sold out again by the likes of you! You will do anything to protect your Old Shiney Jet Job. Ask any furloughed US Air pilot if there was a way for them to keep their job? Answer is yes but the senior pilots had to make a sacrifice and they wouldn't do it.
Ask the PSA pilots why the Captains got a $15/hr raise and the F/O's only $.50. Hmmmm sold out again. See a pattern here? It's not the SJS cause i couldn't care less what i fly. This job sucks because you negotiated it that way. It is my job now to clean up your mess.

 

[nostradamus]

What is 'shallow' is some of the U east SCAB pilots wanting sympathy. They are getting just what their group agreed to. Now suck it up and get back to work or quit.

Can you explain please, what you mean by U east Scab pilots.

 

[nostradamus]

What is 'shallow' is some of the U east SCAB pilots wanting sympathy. They are getting just what their group agreed to. Now suck it up and get back to work or quit.

pitguy, everyone who breathes is a scab, including you and management.

Click here to find out.

 

[pitguy]

nostradamus,
To answer your question a U east SCAB pilot is one who crossed the IAM's picket line in October 1992. They were paid by the company to cross. It is a long story and I hope each that took his thirty pieces of silver is choking on them now. I know I am enjoying watching it happen to them.

I have never scabbed or took any one else's bread. I have never crossed a picket line and I respect the rights of employees to make a fair and honest living. I believe they should also be treated fairly in the work place. U east SCAB pilots excluded.