Could Pennsylvania build a New INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Just a thought.

Due to the BRUTAL physical constraints of PHL, would/could it be possible to build a NEW Field ??

(Present PHL would make a good MDW type airport)

Looking through my Rand McNally(Pa.), would it be feasable to grab a big patch of land somewhere between Philly and Reading, for a new INT. airport ??

I'm guessing that AMTRAK, and SEPTA already run out that way.(good commuter service into Philly)

NH/BB's

 

[foreright]

Just a thought.

Due to the BRUTAL physical constraints of PHL, would/could it be possible to build a NEW Field ??

(Present PHL would make a good MDW type airport)

Looking through my Rand McNally(Pa.), would it be feasable to grab a big patch of land somewhere between Philly and Reading, for a new INT. airport ??

I'm guessing that AMTRAK, and SEPTA already run out that way.(good commuter service into Philly)

NH/BB's

it would have to be out by abe...new york couldnt handle the traffic

 

[Prince of PAWOBs]

The big question is: Who is going to foot the bill?

The idea is one that has been on the minds of many, including myself. If one was to be built, there are many questions besides price that would have to be answered:

1)Location,

2)Service (such as which airlines and what routes),

3)What to do about opposition to new construction (NIMBY), and in addition,

4)What purpose does building a new airport serve if you can't:

A)Hire decent employees, and

B)Guarantee decent wages.

Just a few things (out of many) to consider.

 

[flyJOE]

The NIMBY thing will be one of the biggest to overcome. If you look in So. Jersey, not far from PHL they'll pitch fits. If you look somewhere in Berks Co, Delaware Co, more NIMBY problems. They NIMBYs are tough enough in Tinicum Twsp. with an already existing airport. Something new would be takes years of legal proceedings before the first shovel goes into the ground.

 

[PHL]

10-15 years ago, all the land across right the river was ripe for picking. No chance now. The space PHL now sits on is sufficient after one of the alternative re-allignment plans is chosen and moved foward.

One of the greatest conveniences of the airport is it's close proximity to the city.

 

[wings396]

Building a new PHL airport in a different location is not impossible. Similar things have been done in other cities such as DFW. Having the airport in the city is nice, but not a requirement. Build and they will come....EWR is not in NYC, but draws a lot of traffic from the area. If the people in the city of PHL have no choice but to drive a few more miles to a new airport, they will do it. It's not like they will have a choice anyway. In order for this new location to be successful, the current PHL would/should be torn down. The terminal and gate/ramp areas are a mess, and starting from scratch is the only way to remedy the situation. Trying to add on, and patch up the existing airport is not working, and never will. 🙁

 

[flyJOE]

Another thought about relocation of the airport why it will never happen, there is no way the city of PHL would allow it happen. They have way too much to lose financially. The city will never allow all of the revenue they get from the airport from the city wage taxes, John Street's family control airport concessions, and other airport financial gains to go outside the city limits. Of course unless they are 'properly' compensated for decades to come.

 

[The End]

Could you imagine how long it would take to build a new ARPT in PA. It would take 10 years just to decide where, and another 10 to cut all the deals. Just look at the slots issue. Then probly another 20 years to build. I base that on the fact it takes 8 months to resurface 4 miles of road in this state when it should only take one. The End

 

[PHL]

Another thought about relocation of the airport why it will never happen, there is no way the city of PHL would allow it happen.

Hypothetically speaking....if a new airport were constructed outside of PHL city limits (which is the only way it could feasibly happen), then there's nothing the city could really do to stop it.

Don't forget that all PHL and PNE airport businesses pay a 1% GROSS RECEIPTS tax to the city, on top of the additional 1% retail sales taxes, wage taxes and bribery kickbacks.

A new field simply has to offer nice enticements to the airlines to move/migrate service to. The Phila govt. couldn't do much to stop them from moving if their lease(s) were up. PHL as we now know it could become a much smaller dumbed down operation while the new field grew.

PIT and DIA are great examples, although PIT was able to basically use fantastic runways and build an entirely new terminal complex. Denver had the land to just fully relocate and did a fantastic job at it.

Here's a great site - right across the river to the SW of the current field, although some landfill would be required. Easy access from Commodore Barry bridge, I-295 and even the NJTurnpike.

But it will NOT ever happen. The DEIS wouldn't even get completed after huge opposition by anyone living within 50 miles of the field.

 

[muircross]

If I'm not mistaken, the Willow Grove NAS will soon be available. It's in Pa. fairly close to Philly,and a very large parcel of land with existing runways.

 

[JayBrian]

Just the current plans for PHL

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Could take 20 years.

A big stumbling block is what to do with UPS, they have 3000 jobs there and I'm sure nobody wants to lose those jobs.

 

[Whatnow?]

Isn't the whole problem with PHL an airspace issue not a land constraint issue? I mean the current airport isn't the biggest but I thought the problem was sequencing A/C into an already overloaded East Coast airspace. Although, with a bigger airport there will be more taxiways to accomodate all the A/C in line for take-off which in turn will diminish the time you have to wait for an A/C to clear an occupied gate! 😉

 

[US1YFARE]

there is NO WAY that the residents of Montgomery County and Bucks County would allow Willow Grove to be converted into an international airport. The noise, the traffic...Willow Grove is bad enough.

 

[700UW]

PHL should have bought the old Westinghouse Factory and its land, knocked it down and expanded the airport.

 

[PHL]

If I'm not mistaken, the Willow Grove NAS will soon be available. It's in Pa. fairly close to Philly,and a very large parcel of land with existing runways.

It's not really that close to downtown Philly with no real easy way to get into the city in under an hour. And, while it will probably stay open for some sort of use, that in itself was a battle. The neighbors will never have a full scale intl. airport there.