Could Pennsylvania build a New INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT

[LCC_#1]

"...EWR is not in NYC, but draws a lot of traffic from the area. "
There's a limit to this concept, though. Has anyone ever heard of Stewart Field, New York City's FOURTH airport? Didn't think so. Too far out to really be a reliever airport; there is a limit as to how far someone will drive.

Also, it's EMINENT domain. Not imminent domain.

PHL and the cities across the river in NJ should get together and form a quasi-governmental authority like the unbelievably successful, wealthy and powerful Port Authority of New York and New Jersey (PANYNJ.) Then, build an entire airport facility directly across the river from PHL and connect it by (relatively) high speed shuttle trains (tunneled under the river.) They could divvy up the space between the PA and NJ terminals by air carrier, or Int'l vs. domestic, or however they want. It wouldn't matter which side of the river you parked your car on since the shuttle would take you to other side if that's where your departure was.

The downside of this is that Philadelphia would have to choose to share power and revenue with the NJ communities and that is not likely to happen. But it would be the quickest way to major expansion of the PHL facility. And if the governing entity works anything like PANYNJ, it will be very successful because they will be focused on the facility and not the politics.

The main reason EWR has enjoyed long-term success is because the PANYNJ has for decades limited access to LGA. The only thing New Yorkers loathe more than going to New Jersey is going to Kennedy. With LGA shut out of long-distance flights by PANYNJ decree, those travelers (and airlines) have been forced to divvy those travel dollars (and flight scedules) between EWR and JFK.

Hey Bus

Trivia time..Who decided after landing in New Jersey that it was time to build an airport? Where did he build it and what was the name? GO!!

 

[nycbusdriver]

Hey Bus

Trivia time..Who decided after landing in New Jersey that it was time to build an airport? Where did he build it and what was the name? GO!!

Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia landed at EWR on a TWA flight and refused to get off the airplane even though (or maybe because) the flight attendant made the announcement "Welcome to New York City." TWA launched the airplane to Floyd Bennet Field in Brooklyn where the Hizzoner gladly deplaned.

The city expanded the little North Beach Airport to accomodate airliners and opened it to airline traffic in 1939. The name when it opened was "New York Municipal Airport." It was later named "LaGuardia Airport" (still the official name) in 1947. Despite the numerous flight attendant announcements, it is NOT "LaGuardia International Airport." LaGuardia is not a US Customs Port of Entry, and therefore is NOT an international airport any more than Newark, NJ is New York City.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Damn you are good.

Now, why Idlewild?

 

[barbeetantrums]

Speaking of Pennsylvania politics, [edited]?

 

[LCC_#1]

Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia landed at EWR on a TWA flight and refused to get off the airplane even though (or maybe because) the flight attendant made the announcement "Welcome to New York City." TWA launched the airplane to Floyd Bennet Field in Brooklyn where the Hizzoner gladly deplaned.

The city expanded the little North Beach Airport to accomodate airliners and opened it to airline traffic in 1939. The name when it opened was "New York Municipal Airport." It was later named "LaGuardia Airport" (still the official name) in 1947. Despite the numerous flight attendant announcements, it is NOT "LaGuardia International Airport." LaGuardia is not a US Customs Port of Entry, and therefore is NOT an international airport any more than Newark, NJ is New York City.

Very good!!

Speaking of Pennsylvania politics, [edited]?

Well we won't have to see either one of them come 2007.

 

[Travels2mch]

Well we won't have to see either one of them come 2007.

Woo Hoo!!

 

[LCC_#1]

Woo Hoo!!

"Der iz a God" Miss Sophia, The Color Purple

 

[barbeetantrums]

Very good!!
Well we won't have to see either one of them come 2007.

WOOF WOOF!!!

 

[nycbusdriver]

Damn you are good.

Now, why Idlewild?

Idlewild was the name of the golf course which stood where the airport was built. The ATA designator was IDL. When the airport was opened, it's official name was "New York International Airport," but everyone called it Idlewild and the ATA designator reinforced that common usage.

My turn: Why is Chicago's O'Hare ORD?

(Wikipedia has all this information, although I did know most of it already. I have a propensity for remembering useless sh** like this.)

 

[PHL]

My turn: Why is Chicago's O'Hare ORD?

Orchard Field. Changed to O'Hare in 1949 named after WWII fighter pilot Lt. Cmdr. Edward "Butch" O'Hare. He was from Chicago and proved to be a superbly brave and most excellent pilot. You can google/wikipedia his name all you want. Good history.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Rick Santorum was a unique Senator in that he had an actual moral compass. A compass that ultimately led to his demise.

Having said that, his moral compass was not much to my liking but I think he deserves credit for having one in a profession that is governed by opinion polls and focus groups and the appearance of his daughter should not be an issue.

An new airport would require all of the collective clout of the PA & NJ politicos to pull off and I can't see that happening.

I agree that Santorum has a moral compass.

I agree the I DO NOT agree with his moral compass in most areas.

What gives me heartburn is that he and his soundly-routed cohorts wish to use the power of civil government to impose their moral compass on everyone simply because they are sufficiently arrogant to think that they have the ONLY correct answers.

And the American electorate just told them where to stick that notion.

Orchard Field. Changed to O'Hare in 1949 named after WWII fighter pilot Lt. Cmdr. Edward "Butch" O'Hare. He was from Chicago and proved to be a superbly brave and most excellent pilot. You can google/wikipedia his name all you want. Good history.

I thought it was Old Orchard Field, but that might be wrong. I think Butch O'Hare was a Medal of Honor winner, also. When I lived in the Chicago area, I was told a story that O'Hare's father was a mafia accountant and that the politicos were not going to honor his son because of that family taint. The elder O'Hare turned state's evidence and lost his life at the hands of the mob because of it. This was the only way he could see to allow his son's memory to be so honored.

I have no idea how much of that is true. And I don't know if it's information that can be web-searched. The story came from a Chicago old-timer.

 

[LCC_#1]

You can google/wikipedia his name all you want. Good history.

CHEATERS!!
I learned about LGA from American Experience...New York, A Documentary. I have the tapes. What a wonderful series.

 

[whatkindoffreshhell]

You can't build homes in the Pine Barons. What makes you think they will allow and airport?

Fuggettaboutit!

Ever since Paulie Walnuts had that interior designer escape in the Pine Barrens the neighborhood has been on edge....

 

[barbeetantrums]

I agree that Santorum has a moral compass.

I agree the I DO NOT agree with his moral compass in most areas.

What gives me heartburn is that he and his soundly-routed cohorts wish to use the power of civil government to impose their moral compass on everyone simply because they are sufficiently arrogant to think that they have the ONLY correct answers.

And the American electorate just told them where to stick that notion.

Agreed. If he and his ilk had their way we would be living like Amish. We would dress our children like the Amish as he has apparently done.

 

[LCC_#1]

We would dress our children like the Amish as he has apparently done.

Good one!