Crew members at AWA fly seperate... US together

[AstroLounge]

Okay, are you management?
We are safety professionals.
If we were glorified sky-waitresses, we would have been replaced by vending machines already.
Flying over fourteen hours is not safe.

Agreed. Flying over 14 hours is insane and I don't care who you are, the level of Customer Service would be poor/indifferent at best. Hell I have worked with some people doing one leg that were miserable right after they introduced themselves! 🙄

 

[hp_fa]

over guarantee?

Yes, but you need to call Irreg Ops before you takeoff on a flight that is projected to take you over 14:30, so if you are simply on a long day and the last flight pushes back and then gets stuck on a runway waiting for takeoff and/or holds forever to land, or the gate isn't open when you land and you then go over 14:30 you only get paid for normal block.

 

[USCREW]

One VERY LARGE piece of information is missing here--if you are projected to go over 14:30 hours, and you volunteer to do this (so that a flight will not cancel) you get an addtional 7 hours of pay. So, yes, we VOLUNTEER!

Well, enjoy it while it lasts. It's so insane that it's not even worth considering.

 

[LongTimeF/A]

don't you have a contract that states your max for duty? here on the East we dont pick and choose which parts of the contract we use..

 

[Sthrnboy]

don't you have a contract that states your max for duty? here on the East we dont pick and choose which parts of the contract we use..

NO... ONe reason is our wages are so low it takes us giving up our days off just to make ends meet. Also why have a max set? In order to survive its required to make ends meet. :unsure:

 

[USCREW]

don't you have a contract that states your max for duty? here on the East we dont pick and choose which parts of the contract we use..

I think that someone has said that the max duty is 14+30. The big difference that I can see between the West and the East is that we do not "Volunteer" to break the contract that we've worked so hard for. We don't do this to save a flight, and we don't do this for extra pay. The contract should not be broken by F/As or the company.

 

[Sthrnboy]

I think that someone has said that the max duty is 14+30. The big difference that I can see between the West and the East is that we do not "Volunteer" to break the contract that we've worked so hard for. We don't do this to save a flight, and we don't do this for extra pay. The contract should not be broken by F/As or the company.

I would say 80% of us DONT. WE would rather the company sit and fix there own problem for there bad use of Crew Resources. Its there fault to fix problems with understaffing not ours. Too many of us have been screwed one too many times for "HELPING" the company in there time of need only to have it blow up in our faces. NO JOKE! Its only done by empathetic crew members ex (commuters, new hires, and get there itis moments.) :shock I did it once and got burned bad. Never AGAIN! 😛h34r:

 

[USCREW]

I would say 80% of us DONT. WE would rather the company sit and fix there own problem for there bad use of Crew Resources. Its there fault to fix problems with understaffing not ours. Too many of us have been screwed one too many times for "HELPING" the company in there time of need only to have it blow up in our faces. NO JOKE! Its only done by empathetic crew members ex (commuters, new hires, and get there itis moments.) :shock I did it once and got burned bad. Never AGAIN! 😛h34r:

I'm sure glad that scheduling will remain in PIT. They are professionals and work with us within our contract as best as they can.

 

[hp_fa]

I think that someone has said that the max duty is 14+30. The big difference that I can see between the West and the East is that we do not "Volunteer" to break the contract that we've worked so hard for. We don't do this to save a flight, and we don't do this for extra pay. The contract should not be broken by F/As or the company.

You are factually incorrect. The volunteering over 14:30 is in the contract. No one is breaking it. The crew in question has a contractual option. What they decide is up to them.

 

[USCREW]

You are factually incorrect. The volunteering over 14:30 is in the contract. No one is breaking it. The crew in question has a contractual option. What they decide is up to them.

Thx. I am not familiar with the West contract. So this was "negotiated", brilliant. I can see why we are taking so long with the integration of our contracts if we are so far a part in our thinking. If the Wests' pay scale can be raised a little, maybe there would be less desire to "Volunteer" over what is already unsafe--flying with no limits.

 

[hulagirl]

I think that someone has said that the max duty is 14+30. The big difference that I can see between the West and the East is that we do not "Volunteer" to break the contract that we've worked so hard for. We don't do this to save a flight, and we don't do this for extra pay. The contract should not be broken by F/As or the company.

This clearly is NOT breaking the contract...this is a BENEFIT to flight attendants, in that when the company has a irregular op, and a flight may cancel, we MAKE THE COMPANY PAY in order for us to work the flight. We FOUGHT HARD FOR THIS in our contract. An extra 7 hours of pay is well worth it if you do one flight, and perhaps are only extending your day by an hour...

Our duty day can go to 14 hours. Let's say that we are scheduled to work a duty day of 13:50. We find ourselves in an irregular operation, and are projected to go to 14:33 for the day. We call and volunteer to go over 14:30, and in fact do go over, we are paid an extra 7 hours of pay. Why wouldn't we do it? It hardly makes us "unsafe" to fly when we are already scheduled to work 13:50, and are only adding on an extra few minutes to get an extra 7 hours of pay! This is to the flight attendants benefit--not the company's!

 

[Zarah]

So this 7 hours of pay is paid over say a reserves guarantee or just paid over the trip guarantee?

7 hours does nothing for me if I still only get paid my reserve guarantee.

Sorry being a little thick headed today and not unerstanding this. LOL.

 

[hp_fa]

So this 7 hours of pay is paid over say a reserves guarantee or just paid over the trip guarantee?

7 hours does nothing for me if I still only get paid my reserve guarantee.

Sorry being a little thick headed today and not unerstanding this. LOL.

The 1 for 2 credit works like this. The person working that day that is projected to go over 14:30 and has volunteered will be paid (but not credited against their monthly block hours) an additional one minute of pay for every two minutes of duty for the day in question. This extra pay is in addition to the reserve guarantee. (FYI, it is very uncommon for West FA's to not exceed the monthly reserve guarantee.)

 

[Zarah]

The 1 for 2 credit works like this. The person working that day that is projected to go over 14:30 and has volunteered will be paid (but not credited against their monthly block hours) an additional one minute of pay for every two minutes of duty for the day in question. This extra pay is in addition to the reserve guarantee. (FYI, it is very uncommon for West FA's to not exceed the monthly reserve guarantee.)

Thanks

 

[flygirl74]

In PHL reserves average 40-60 hours. Guarentee is 73 hours. Any time we are flying a company trip we feel like we are working for free. I have never broken guarentee. Our ETB is paid over the 73. No reserve in their right mind would do any volunteering on a company trip.