Crew News: October 11-12, 2011

[Move2CLT]

So does the east.

The east does not want to impose DOH,

BS.

 

[Move2CLT]

No. And boy do those AA pilots love staplers. The Westies should be afraid...very afraid.

Later,
Eye

You make others understand why the east has a history of fing themselves

 

[luvn737s]

No. And boy do those AA pilots love staplers. The Westies should be afraid...very afraid.

No, the assets that would have to be shed to gain DOJ approval are all on the east. And PHL is a goner with AA.

 

[Career Reserve]

I watched the f/a crew room news on both the East & West. I found them both very informative. Having said that EVERY f/a should watch the Phoenix Crew room from 10-11-11 entitled "Proposal status & Mediation." Watch Scott's facial expression & listen to the tone of his voice during the 11 plus minutes. Listen very carefully to what is said. Company has hired Al Hemmingway to do their bidding. Al won't meet w/ union anymore. This was done on the East side years ago. Scott states the mediator felt this was best. No, the mediator is there to try & get the parties together any way he can so don't for a minute believe Scott. Minutes 7 thru 11 you see his face getting more red, forehead stays raised & voice defensive & speech faster. After watching this session if this does not make you vote NO to what is coming.........nothing will.
Of course this is JMHO. See for yourself.

 

[nic4us]

So does the east.

The east does not want to impose DOH, but, if the courts rule that way, what can they do? The logic is inescapable.

After that, will an east crew member even want to work with a westie?

I am guessing the answere would be a big ole NO WAY.

I mean, would a thief like to come to dinner at the house he robbed?

 

[nic4us]

Kirby is hiding from the 9th that already left USAPA and the company to bargain the conclusion. There is no such thing as lack of compromise. There is a lack of bargaining between the two lawful bargainers, USAPA and the Company.

The 9th decided no one is qualified to insert themselves between the bargaining of USAPA and the company.

How are things in lala land?

Yep, the 9th left usapa and the company to bargain the conclusion, and that is what is going on. usapa says DOH, the company replied, no way, that gets us sued. No different that usapa asking for $300 and hour group 2, and the company saying, no way, that bankrupts us.

So, the two parties are at an impasse over seniority integration. Why doesn't usapa ask the mediator for release? (hint..because there is no way they will get released over trying to scab the seniority rights of the West, their scab DEMAND is a complete failure to negotiate) Instead, they go to federal court in NYC, (read they are seeking someone qualified to insert themselves between the bargaining agents) and claim the company is not negotiating.

It is usapa that is not negotiating.


Your association is a complete failure. Its president is a moron and a scumbag. Its supporters are lowlife reneging malcontents, not worthy of consideration afforded them by the powers that be.

 

[Phoenix]

How are things in lala land?

Yep, the 9th left usapa and the company to bargain the conclusion, and that is what is going on. usapa says DOH, the company replied, no way, that gets us sued. No different that usapa asking for $300 and hour group 2, and the company saying, no way, that bankrupts us.

So, the two parties are at an impasse over seniority integration. Why doesn't usapa ask the mediator for release? (hint..because there is no way they will get released over trying to scab the seniority rights of the West, their scab DEMAND is a complete failure to negotiate) Instead, they go to federal court in NYC, (read they are seeking someone qualified to insert themselves between the bargaining agents) and claim the company is not negotiating.

It is usapa that is not negotiating.


Your association is a complete failure. Its president is a moron and a scumbag. Its supporters are lowlife reneging malcontents, not worthy of consideration afforded them by the powers that be.

The SCOTUS, made it clear. With respect to the SLI, you get to sue when there is a ratified contract. Anything before then is just the normal noise that occurs during free bargaining.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Anything before then is just the normal noise that occurs during free bargaining.

And that applies to both sides...east and west. As for free bargaining, the company is asking a judge to rule on what it's "free" to do.

Jim

 

[Move2CLT]

And that applies to both sides...east and west. As for free bargaining, the company is asking a judge to rule on what it's "free" to do.

Jim

And the judge will come back an say FO what you have to do. The company will get zero guidance from the judge.

With no guidance and the threat of a lawsuit, the company will stick with the list it already has.

 

[Move2CLT]

The SCOTUS, made it clear. With respect to the SLI, you get to sue when there is a ratified contract. Anything before then is just the normal noise that occurs during free bargaining.

Yes and no. There are other triggers that can define harm and bring on ripeness, but you're right.

If a non-Nic TA is ratified, an injunction will follow soon thereafter preventing its implementation. Then DFR2. Then a few years of waiting for this to go through the courts again. And all while under LOA93.

 

[usfliboi]

Moderator... Yet another thread discussing the same ole stuff ...Why arent these threads being closed and moved. Why do we have to continue weeding our way thru this stuff? {PLEASE Close and move