Dec 2012/Jan 2013 IAM Fleet Service Discussions

[JFK Fleet Service]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Parkers plan a bit softer on the outsourcing of AA stations? I seem to recall that a few more stations would remain staffed with ML people.

In the original CLA the TWU signed there was language keeping up to 30 stations staffed with the caveat that the actual number would vary.

The MOU supercedes all previous agreements.


So I'll ask again,how many stations would combined operations trigger mainline staffing?

 

[ograc]

In the original CLA the TWU signed there was language keeping up to 30 stations staffed with the caveat that the actual number would vary.

The MOU supercedes all previous agreements.


So I'll ask again,how many stations would combined operations trigger mainline staffing?

If we were to fall under TWU representation not many more than the 17 under the MOU as I see it. Many of the agreed to TWU represented stations are already IAM represented stations. Stations such as CLT, PHL and PHX would certainly be added.

 

[wings396]

In the original CLA the TWU signed there was language keeping up to 30 stations staffed with the caveat that the actual number would vary.

The MOU supercedes all previous agreements.


So I'll ask again,how many stations would combined operations trigger mainline staffing?

That all depends on what contract guidelines we end up following.

 

[necigrad]

The funny thing is that we won't know how difficult of an issue this will be for the company until after representation is decided. Whether TWU or IAM is our rep the company will try to get the most they can from us.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The funny thing is that we won't know how difficult of an issue this will be for the company until after representation is decided. Whether TWU or IAM is our rep the company will try to get the most they can from us.

why do you presume it is either/or? I think the most likely scenario is both/and as I can't see the TWU or IAM walking away from an arrangement like the upstairs folks have. regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

You could be right but 17 + a handful more stations that will be served with a combined carrier still adds up to pathetic. IMO... both unions have failed miserably regarding this issue. One worse than the other. No wonder union represented jobs continue to decline in this country. In the private sector, according to recent government statistics, union represented jobs are at their lowest point since the 1930s. Below 10% I believe. As a result labor loses it's financial resources and more impotantly their leverage. In the future those who are lucky enough to remain employed will pay the price.

I don't understand why unions give up work when those who give the work up also give back concessions. If a member gives up concessions then the work ought to be the reward. Still, makes no sense to me. At any rate, talked to the wise one yesterday, he was relaxing of course. regards,

 

[ograc]

I don't understand why unions give up work when those who give the work up also give back concessions. If a member gives up concessions then the work ought to be the reward. Still, makes no sense to me. At any rate, talked to the wise one yesterday, he was relaxing of course. regards,

Maybe they concede both, with the misguided belief, that with doing so, it doesn't affect their job security or compensation. They're comfortable and not affected... so what the hell. Only reasoning I can come up with. Maybe that's part of the problem with labor leadership. At any rate, I'll most likely be talking with him this weekend. I hope you sent him my regards.

 

[necigrad]

why do you presume it is either/or? I think the most likely scenario is both/and as I can't see the TWU or IAM walking away from an arrangement like the upstairs folks have. regards,

Because we won't have transition agreement negotiations unitl representation is decided.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Because we won't have transition agreement negotiations unitl representation is decided.

it will be interesting to see if the two unions come to an arrangement where one administers the contract. Surely, the company will want its hands in such a decision and a transition agreement might follow quickly thereafter like upstairs did by coming to a transition one month after the company voluntarily recognized the new arrangement. John John can probably speak to that better than I. regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

Maybe they concede both, with the misguided belief, that with doing so, it doesn't affect their job security or compensation. They're comfortable and not affected... so what the hell. Only reasoning I can come up with. Maybe that's part of the problem with labor leadership. At any rate, I'll most likely be talking with him this weekend. I hope you sent him my regards.

Yeah, I mentioned you and I told him I was hopeful of a rerun election ordered by the DOL. I still remember the first time I met you when he introduced me to you in his office at the ole pit airport. Lehive's parents live in his community so when we were organizing, we always passed by to visit them and then have a beer with VH. regards,

 

[ograc]

Yeah, I mentioned you and I told him I was hopeful of a rerun election ordered by the DOL. I still remember the first time I met you when he introduced me to you in his office at the ole pit airport. Lehive's parents live in his community so when we were organizing, we always passed by to visit them and then have a beer with VH. regards,

Many, many years ago... yet here we are in the trenches still fighting the fight. Different company names, different unions, different leadership personel on both sides but still the same battle. I plan on calling him this weekend.