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Credibility is critical. With time... credibilty is eroding for some. With time... personal agendas surface and the truth is brought to the light. This includes candidates who were not elected in the recent election as well as those who were. I encourage all to observe and be vigilant.
 
Credibility is critical. With time... credibilty is eroding for some. With time... personal agendas surface and the truth is brought to the light. This includes candidates who were not elected in the recent election as well as those who were. I encourage all to observe and be vigilant.

Really? Where do you get this stuff? Posts like this bring YOUR credibility into question. Personal agendas? Who's personal agendas?, and what is said agenda? The truth? Who's truth are we talking about? Yours? Mine? The persons you are trying to vaugely accuse here? I know you will try to be tactful and not call anybody out on here, so please PM me and I will keep that coversation between you and I. I might agree, I might not, but posts like yours here imply you are the one with hidden agenda's, and trying to discredit those that won the election, just because you did not. Just my opinion though. Looking forward to hearing from you.
 
Paging the all powerful OZ, err, I mean Tim Nelson. Is it true that you are trying to gain nominations for a spot on the Grand Lodge ballot to run for a position within the Grand Lodge? I think for a General Vice Presidents spot right? How much do they make a year? Tell me, are you going to "donate" or "pledge" 3/4 of your pay back the the members again? Seriously, tell me it's not about the $$$$ now.

Direct question time.
Are you trying to run for a position within the grand lodge?
Since when did you and KA become BFF's?
Are you running on her coattails, or is she running on yours?
 
Really? Where do you get this stuff? Posts like this bring YOUR credibility into question. Personal agendas? Who's personal agendas?, and what is said agenda? The truth? Who's truth are we talking about? Yours? Mine? The persons you are trying to vaugely accuse here? I know you will try to be tactful and not call anybody out on here, so please PM me and I will keep that coversation between you and I. I might agree, I might not, but posts like yours here imply you are the one with hidden agenda's, and trying to discredit those that won the election, just because you did not. Just my opinion though. Looking forward to hearing from you.
Not talking at all about yours or mine. Outside of the NC and some AGCs the agenda of just getting elected with little future regard to duly represent. The agenda of certain candidates,campaigning for the best interests of the membership, who in defeat continue to pursue a self promoting, divisive agenda. Kinda sounds like Capital Hill doesn't it?
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Looking at the latest negotiations update I see that Scope is not mentioned. Is that an implication that it has been tentativly resolved to the committees satisfaction? That's the inference that I draw from no proposals being exchanged on the subject.
 
Paging the all powerful OZ, err, I mean Tim Nelson. Is it true that you are trying to gain nominations for a spot on the Grand Lodge ballot to run for a position within the Grand Lodge? I think for a General Vice Presidents spot right? How much do they make a year? Tell me, are you going to "donate" or "pledge" 3/4 of your pay back the the members again? Seriously, tell me it's not about the $$$$ now.

Direct question time.
Are you trying to run for a position within the grand lodge?
Since when did you and KA become BFF's?
Are you running on her coattails, or is she running on yours?
Brother PJ,
I will give you a brief recap of the last 6 months.

Item 1: District Elections
My team suspended our campaign on June 11 when it was blatantly obvious that the District Officers were using our dues to help fund their political fortunes in that election. On June 12 my team shifted to a legal battle and then compounded the legal case on July 20 when additional emails were intercepted and submitted to the DOL.

We believe there is strong evidence that will help the DOL conclude and make a favorable ruling and order a rerun election. Time will tell one way or the other, as that ruling is now pending.

As aside, a legal battle was already awarded against the District over its bylaws, during the last vote. It was agreed that the nomination process was questionable and that nominations should have extended with all day voting, as opposed to being voted upon only by those attending the meeting. With that maneuver, we were able to beat the Delaney/Atkinson legal team and get Mahina and Veronica on our ballot. We were 100% confident that that ruling would be successful, and it was. I know that the District says that I just run and cry to the DOL and that the DOL is sympathetic to me, but the DOL isn't a fly by night organization that offers sympathy. The DOL is made up of "Top" investigators and labor attorneys whose duty is to protect the rights of union members. It only makes rulings based on compelling casework, and the District only has themselves to blame for violating labor laws [both NMB and DOL], and disrespecting the membership. Thus far, Atkinson hasn't run an election without violating labor law. And even had a NMB case penalty in favor of the Teamsters [that may come back to haunt the IAM but that's for another time].

Item 2: District Elections for 2014
Regardless of the pending legal outcome, myself and Karen have joined together. That doesn't mean everyone on her previous team, or my previous team subscribe to the idea, but we will attempt to move forward together. Those on her previous team and mine will be welcome if they so choose to put away bygones. Others who supported 141 rising will also be welcome. Together, we believe, will be the best solution to changing the direction of our union away from the baby soft management friendly ways of today where our united airline brothers and sisters are being pantsed with our current regime. Those that continue to support Delaney and Atkinson are also free to do so.

Item 3: International Elections
Yes, myself and Karen decided to run for international office. Me for International President, and Karen for General Vice President. Unfortunately, the International has never had elections in the 128 year history. I believe silence and standing down should never be an option if we are to prune or make our union strong. Only those who think elections are evil would mock brothers or sisters running for office. To attain an election, we will have to file a complaint [it is in the mail] and force the International to either yield its unreasonable bylaws, or we will have to file the complaint to the DOL after exhausting any internal dispute that hasn't been resolved. We are 100% confident that the nomination process is illegal and does not conform to the LMRDA, along with some other items we included in the complaint. IMO, the chances are that neither myself or Karen gets on any international ballot but it is still worth challenging the international bylaws as illegal and forcing an election whereby us or other candidates can finally run for international office without the undue burdens and unreasonableness displayed in our IAM constitution.

I myself am in full favor of having international elections, whether I run as President or someone else. Losing 3,000 members a month under Buffenbarger's watch and having a dependency on yearly dues increases as salaries go up and staff gets increased is morally wrong. This union is now under 350,000 active members and we can either keep blaming Republicans and risk our IAM pensions at further risk, or make changes and be more aggressive in organizing which should prevent membership losses and limit dependency on yearly dues increases. I know 700 says the IAM pension is separate, and it is, but it is still a ponzie scheme based on actives and retirees. As the actives dwindle, the fund must either cut back future benefits to those who are active, or increase participants. Increasing participants starts with preventing membership losses and increasing the rolls.

regards,
 
Tim,

Item 1:
The DOL ran the 2012 elections. So any complaint should be against the
DOL not DL142. You lost, and because you lost, it's the district's fault. Please. The members spoke, and didn't want you, now you are going to try to force yourself on us, because you have an axe to grind. Good luck with that. You are the exact opposite of a true unionist, you are all about you, your ideas, what you have done, what you can do, what you will force the company to do, ect. ect. ect.

Item 2:
You, Karen and your team are not in it for the members, you are in it for yourselves, and to give a big F.U. to the district. And Karen is all about the paycheck. Heck, she and RU had a hotel room just for luggage on the member's dime. Oh and BTW, did you guys flip to see who would run for PDGC of DL141? You are turning out to be no better than Canoli. And we all know how bad he and his crew were for us. Be sure to put some of KA's and canoli's people on your ticket, that would be a superior political move.

Item 3:
While I agree that the GL should hold elections, but I also believe that those in the positions they hold earned them, unlike you and KA, who are in it just for yourselves. You truly are a piece of work.
 
The GL does hold elections, even if it s a white ballot, as a former RS of 1725, I have ran the Grand Lodge Election.

Since the rules dont fit timmie's agenda, he says they are wrong, yet they have been in effect for many many years.
 
Tim,

Item 1:
The DOL ran the 2012 elections. So any complaint should be against the
DOL not DL142. You lost, and because you lost, it's the district's fault. Please. The members spoke, and didn't want you, now you are going to try to force yourself on us, because you have an axe to grind. Good luck with that. You are the exact opposite of a true unionist, you are all about you, your ideas, what you have done, what you can do, what you will force the company to do, ect. ect. ect.

Item 2:
You, Karen and your team are not in it for the members, you are in it for yourselves, and to give a big F.U. to the district. And Karen is all about the paycheck. Heck, she and RU had a hotel room just for luggage on the member's dime. Oh and BTW, did you guys flip to see who would run for PDGC of DL141? You are turning out to be no better than Canoli. And we all know how bad he and his crew were for us. Be sure to put some of KA's and canoli's people on your ticket, that would be a superior political move.

Item 3:
While I agree that the GL should hold elections, but I also believe that those in the positions they hold earned them, unlike you and KA, who are in it just for yourselves. You truly are a piece of work.
The DOL did in fact supervise the last election because of violations to our members rights by Atkinson and Delaney. However, as I said, a complaint was filed within that last election against our District bylaws. Again, the DOL ruled favorably. You are mistaken to blame me for upholding the labor laws and rights of union members. Maybe, just maybe, you ought to expect your union bosses to follow the laws instead of disrespecting the membership.

At any rate, your comments are nonsensical indeed. You ought to know that the DOL isn't in the business of hearing gripes and personal ax grinding.

I take no joy in fighting the union bosses but they can't seem to handle things internally so we are left with no choice other than to pursue the DOL. You ought to be thankful that some union members fight for the rights of the members when officers violate them.

regards,
 
The GL does hold elections, even if it s a white ballot, as a former RS of 1725, I have ran the Grand Lodge Election.

Since the rules dont fit timmie's agenda, he says they are wrong, yet they have been in effect for many many years.
The DOL does not rule on "timmy's agenda'. It rules on the LMRDA. I'm certain that the DOL will rule against the International's nomination process. Nonetheless, time will tell.

regards,
 
The process has been in place for decades andhas been challenged before, you will lose like you always have and I see your lying we all know you are an US employee
 
The GL does hold elections, even if it s a white ballot, as a former RS of 1725, I have ran the Grand Lodge Election.

Since the rules dont fit timmie's agenda, he says they are wrong, yet they have been in effect for many many years.

Roach and Buffy said that about the NMB 50%+1 rule. Pot kettle. At least Tim makes his position clear and doesn't lie and attack posters. He legitimately criticizes the failed IAM leadership.

Josh
 
Tim has lied many times and poster besides myself have shown this, you have no idea what your talking about his own tag line is a lie, he is an employee of US Airways.

What did Roach and Buffy say about the 50%+1 rule?
 
With the potential merger of US and AA on the horizon; and the subsequent representation elections that may ensue, the focus should be on gaining representation rights for the combined US/AA Fleet workforce IMO. Challenging long standing IAM District / International nomination and election procedures could prove to be fruitless if the IAM is not the Bargaining Representative of the combined workforce going forward. Let's put the horse before the cart. It should not be assumed the IAM would win a representation election for Fleet if the merger would, in fact, happen.
 
With the potential merger of US and AA on the horizon; and the subsequent representation elections that may ensue, the focus should be on gaining representation rights for the combined US/AA Fleet workforce IMO. Challenging long standing IAM District / International nomination and election procedures could prove to be fruitless if the IAM is not the Bargaining Representative of the combined workforce going forward. Let's put the horse before the cart. It should not be assumed the IAM would win a representation election for Fleet if the merger would, in fact, happen.

from where I sit and what I have read it looks like both unions are fairly hated by both workforces, so you're right it's hard to say what might happen.
 
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