Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvthe9]

You mean the arbitrated list that doesn't have to be used?
If the offer from the company does not match the monetary offer the American pilots got as far as signing bonus goes it is a NO vote from me. I could care less about any American merger. It won't be anything good. A lot of East guys feel the same way.

Johnny boy isa little confused today, to much stress for him. He knows the APA wants nothing to do with the NIC.

 

[Metroyet]

You mean the arbitrated list that doesn't have to be used?
If the offer from the company does not match the monetary offer the American pilots got as far as signing bonus goes it is a NO vote from me. I could care less about any American merger. It won't be anything good. A lot of East guys feel the same way.

Actually it's the list that MUST be used unless there is a Legitimate Union Purpose not to. We all know you Idiots don't have one. Never did, never will. So Yes, the Nic is the only list.

 

[nevergiveup]

Actually it's the list that MUST be used unless there is a Legitimate Union Purpose not to. We all know you Idiots don't have one. Never did, never will. So Yes, the Nic is the only list.

You funny guy!

 

[Metroyet]

OK, we can litigate it and tie it up in court as well as anyone. Company won't get a pass on this.

Driver...

they will when the case is summarily dismissed. YOU HAVE NO CASE.

 

[Metroyet]

You funny guy!

So you DON'T need an LUP? Please tell me you believe that...

 

[Move2CLT]

You mean the arbitrated list that doesn't have to be used?
If the offer from the company does not match the monetary offer the American pilots got as far as signing bonus goes it is a NO vote from me. I could care less about any American merger. It won't be anything good. A lot of East guys feel the same way.

Quite obvious you missed what MOU1 had.

 

[Move2CLT]

You funny guy!

And you moron!

 

[Move2CLT]

Johnny boy isa little confused today, to much stress for him. He knows the APA wants nothing to do with the NIC.

You chicken-eating stupid ####. APA has already agreed to the Nic. If you'd pull your head out of that bucket every once in a while you'd see it coming.

 

[Move2CLT]

Personally, I don't think that at all. I believe the best case, the most bulletproof case, the most durable case is a three way integration using the current paradigm all under the umbrella of M/B. Of course, you won't agree. More than that, you CAN'T agree because you have the NIC and you want it to the point of desperation. I for one do not feel any desperation for DOH. There are those that do and they are more financially driven than philosophically driven. What the company wants, what the APA wants and what USAPA needs is cover...a defensible position. I believe M/B gives them that and I would support whatever is awarded under that method. Then you can file your injunctions and your lawsuits and see how much traction you can get with them in federal court. Just my opinion, but I would guess, not much.

Driver...

They won't redo our list so give it a rest.

You figure out a LUP yet?

 

[oscarjazz]

Here is what the 9th said Oscar. You say USAPA will lose. How does USAPA lose, when the 9th Court of Appeals said this. CITE YOUR case law, or shut up. It is easy to say what you do, but you are just an opinionated loud mouth with no legal standing. How is this for starters? Are we going to get that other idiot Jetzz running his mouth too?


[8] Plaintiffs seek to escape this conclusion by framing
their harm as the lost opportunity to have a CBA implementing
the Nicolau Award put to a ratification vote. Because
merely putting a CBA effectuating the Nicolau Award to a
ratification vote will not itself alleviate the West Pilots furloughs,
Plaintiffs have not identified a sufficiently concrete
injury.2 Additionally, USAPA’s final proposal may yet be one
that does not work the disadvantages Plaintiffs fear, even if
that proposal is not the Nicolau Award.3

Well, I won't type in 82 point font so guess that means I lose the argument. The primary court case is the Rakestraw case. It says that you can change a seniority list but you have to show a greater union purpose that will benefit the entire group, you can't simply trade off one angry group of employees for another angry group of employees. That is what USAPA's DOH list is attempting to do. There is no greater good for the entire group, it is simply the majority that is upset with the outcome of a fair and equitable process trying to extort by force what they couldn't win legitimately. That is how the outside world views it. All of the outside world.

What the Ninth was saying was that you can't sue over ongoing negotiations when you don't know the outcome. What if USAPA decided to put all the West pilots at the top of the list, would the AOL group still want to sue. There might be other lawsuits from other people but not from the West pilots. What if they simply exchanged numbers with 1000 and 1001 on the seniority list. What would the damages be? That is what the Ninth said. Negotiations are a fluid process and you can't sue based on an outcome that has not been determined yet. They also defer to the parties right to negotiate rather than legislate the outcome. I know you read into that statement carte blanche to do whatever you want but the rest of the world doesn't see it that way.

The best response is to read Judge Silver's ruling. She told USAPA in no uncertain terms that there is an axe poised over their neck. That axe is held up by a gossamer string. It will take very little to break that string and bring the axe down and chop off your head. That is how the entire world out of USAPAland reads that statement.

It is over for you. You can either realize that and get some money, or you can just continue on down your disastrous path and wait until that string breaks. I really don't care which way it goes for you, but there are lots of innocent pilots, held hostage by the crazies at USAPA that I care about. You will have your day of reckoning and it's getting close.

Oh, and just to rub salt in it, I am a fairly senior 757/767 Captain and I make more than your entire 757 crew does. That comes from accepting the world as it really is and not as it exists in some fantasy.

 

[prechilill]

I'm getting a small feeling of what General Grant must have been feeling in April of '65...
Relief that the insanity is coming to an end...
The morons in the south are boxed in...
A hope we can move forward together...

 

[high*flyer]

“The education of a man is never completed until he dies.”
― Robert E. Lee
Your education will continue when the MOU is announced without the NIC.

 

[prechilill]

“The education of a man is never completed until he dies.”
― Robert E. Lee
Your education will continue when the MOU is announced without the NIC.

The rule of law and ethics will prevail, my faith is in our law. Everyone has rights and all men are equal, whether you like it or not. Reason trumps emotion in this great country. I believe the "tyranny of the majority" crowd is about to get their a$$ kicked...

And btw
Ask Colonel Lee how his wife's property is doing in Arlington, VA.

 

[luvthe9]

You chicken-eating stupid ####. APA has already agreed to the Nic. If you'd pull your head out of that bucket every once in a while you'd see it coming.

Show us the proof. You guys are getting more desperate by the minute as the Nic slides away.

 

[high*flyer]

It's GENERAL Lee, you Yankee scum!