Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Walmartgreeter]

Prechill said last night: "Although, I do find it comical how you have totally abandoned the DOH crusade and now are hoping for a 3 way- you desperate old man... Lol "

Young Lady...DOH is alive and well, maybe more so than in years. And it will be a 2 way. I doubt M/B will make it to the arbitration phase. But if it does, I have a question: Who submits the seniority data under M/B?

Greeter

 

[cleardirect]

Prechill said last night: "Although, I do find it comical how you have totally abandoned the DOH crusade and now are hoping for a 3 way- you desperate old man... Lol "

Young Lady...DOH is alive and well, maybe more so than in years. And it will be a 2 way. I doubt M/B will make it to the arbitration phase. But if it does, I have a question: Who submits the seniority data under M/B?

Greeter

Asked and answered. The union. When we get to seniority arbitration that union will be APA.

What list do you think the APA will use? An arbitrated list that carries no liability or required negotiation. Or have to negotiate a list with large C&R, carries liability and places 85% of east pilots in the top 50% of a combines list?

You think the list will be negotiated and not arbitrated?

What is usapa's C&BL single position? DOH

What happens when the APA says no to DOH? Where does usapa go from there? They can't negotiate anything else because you have boxed yourselves in..

Straight to arbitration.

 

[Beancounter]

The agreement in the MOU will state that fences for American pilots will be for 7 years, more for wide bodies.

The McCaskill-Bond Amendment will be used. The west will operate separate from the East for a few years that it takes for the process of this. It will be a Menage a trois.

I have had a few Menage a trois experiences in my life, but not involving airline mergers. I do know one thing, after a few days when you have to start talking to each other, it becomes more challenging to maintain the relationship.

http://www.google.co...355534169,d.dmQ

I almost stroked out. Wow Claxon, I understood what you wrote and actually agreed with most of it. Are you getting more coherent or am I just getting older? 🙂

Bean

 

[prechilill]

Asked and answered. The union. When we get to seniority arbitration that union will be APA.

What list do you think the APA will use? An arbitrated list that carries no liability or required negotiation. Or have to negotiate a list with large C&R, carries liability and places 85% of east pilots in the top 50% of a combines list?

You think the list will be negotiated and not arbitrated?

What is usapa's C&BL single position? DOH

What happens when the APA says no to DOH? Where does usapa go from there? They can't negotiate anything else because you have boxed yourselves in..

Straight to arbitration.

Exactly

 

[3dtv]

Exactly

Wrong again. If the new union could do whatever it wanted there would be no MB law. Both pre-merger parties have rights.

 

[Metroyet]

Wrong again. If the new union could do whatever it wanted there would be no MB law. Both pre-merger parties have rights.

Really? Like The West pilots did...and we're ignored straight to an easy DFR conviction by jury? You hypocritical scabs are real pieces of work.

 

[cleardirect]

Wrong again. If the new union could do whatever it wanted there would be no MB law. Both pre-merger parties have rights.

Wait!

The entire premise of usapa is that you can do whatever you want, negotiate for any seniority list you want. But the APA can't?

Are you saying that usapa is wrong?

Now you say the west has rights?

What else has usapa been saying? That the new union can ignore whatever the last union did or wanted. So if the APA decides to use the arbitratedand accepted list and ignore the DOH provision in the expelled unions C&BL they can do that correct?

Yes M/B was created because the APA stapled TWA to the bottom of their list just like usapa is trying to do to the west. M/B only allows what the TWA pilots did not get. Arbitration. M/B does not require a specific method of integration. Doh is not specified so dont get your hopes up for that again. The arbitrator can use whatever method he thinks is fair. Fair being defined as was the process followed.

Karma is a ####.

The APA will be our new union and the APA does not have a singular obsession with harming the west and getting DOH. Your new union will submit the list with the least liability, cost and hassle. That would be the Nicolau.

Do you think that M/B prevents the APA from submitting the arbitrated Nicolau list?

The east is going to find out the meaning of majority rules. If you don't like it I suggest the creation of a LLC and start collecting money. Maybe some of the Leonidas people can consult with you, for a rather large fee on how to do that.

 

[Piedmont1984]

ALPA merger policy was not federal law. M/B is federal law.
ALPA merger policy got it wrong. M/B may also get it wrong.
The east pilots had an option in the first case and excercised that option.
There will be no such option under M/B.

If you think both circumstances are the same you are wrong.
When you are wrong you get upset.
When you get upset you tend to drink more alcohol.
When you drink more alcohol you post stupid s#%t on the forum.

Don't post stupid s#%t on the forum - recognize the difference between ALPA merger policy and federal law.

 

[Phoenix]

M/B doesn't require arbitration.

A trip to SCOTUS is free if you are collecting dues, or if you don't exist.

 

[nevergiveup]

Wait!

The entire premise of usapa is that you can do whatever you want, negotiate for any seniority list you want. But the APA can't?

Are you saying that usapa is wrong?

Now you say the west has rights?

What else has usapa been saying? That the new union can ignore whatever the last union did or wanted. So if the APA decides to use the arbitratedand accepted list and ignore the DOH provision in the expelled unions C&BL they can do that correct?

Yes M/B was created because the APA stapled TWA to the bottom of their list just like usapa is trying to do to the west. M/B only allows what the TWA pilots did not get. Arbitration. M/B does not require a specific method of integration. Doh is not specified so dont get your hopes up for that again. The arbitrator can use whatever method he thinks is fair. Fair being defined as was the process followed.

Karma is a ####.

The APA will be our new union and the APA does not have a singular obsession with harming the west and getting DOH. Your new union will submit the list with the least liability, cost and hassle. That would be the Nicolau.

Do you think that M/B prevents the APA from submitting the arbitrated Nicolau list?

The east is going to find out the meaning of majority rules. If you don't like it I suggest the creation of a LLC and start collecting money. Maybe some of the Leonidas people can consult with you, for a rather large fee on how to do that.

Do you favor stapling the furloughed APA pilots to the bottem of the list?

 

[cleardirect]

Do you favor stapling the furloughed APA pilots to the bottem of the list?

Yes.

Do you favor stapling all the us airways new hires below APA furloughed pilots?

 

[cleardirect]

ALPA merger policy was not federal law. M/B is federal law.
ALPA merger policy got it wrong. M/B may also get it wrong.
The east pilots had an option in the first case and excercised that option.
There will be no such option under M/B.

If you think both circumstances are the same you are wrong.
When you are wrong you get upset.
When you get upset you tend to drink more alcohol.
When you drink more alcohol you post stupid s#%t on the forum.

Don't post stupid s#%t on the forum - recognize the difference between ALPA merger policy and federal law.

What is the difference between ALPA merger policy and A/M merger policy?

Both say negotiate if you can. Usapa can't.
Both say arbitrate for a final and binding result.
Neither state a method of integration.

So what is the difference?

 

[prechilill]

Wrong again. If the new union could do whatever it wanted there would be no MB law. Both pre-merger parties have rights.

Hypocrite. You really are a joke judging how your actions speak different.

MARK

 

[cleardirect]

M/B doesn't require arbitration.

A trip to SCOTUS is free if you are collecting dues, or if you don't exist.

M/B does not required arbitration but usapa has boxed yourselves in and left no choice.

Usapa has a single negotiating position. DOH. When the APA rejects that negotiations are over and arbitration belongs.

Usapa will not be collecting dues. The APA will. The APA will be the union and the APA will the one to submit the list.

BTW in order to get to SCOTUS you have to survive the motion to dismiss at the district level.

 

[Phoenix]

What is the difference between ALPA merger policy and A/M merger policy?

Both say negotiate if you can. Usapa can't.
Both say arbitrate for a final and binding result.
Neither state a method of integration.

So what is the difference?

USAPA can't negotiate?