Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

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Well if that is Munn, he has greatly improved his grammar and spelling, if not his accuracy.

Good 4 him! Otherwise Move2Douche, er, a dca319, would have to correect his grammir 😛

And remember, kids, emoticons are not punctuation, so dictates the grand douche!

 

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Hey guess who's affraid to come in the water?

 

[CallawayGolf]

I believe he is referring to your passing judgement on the east.

East, west, north, south - it makes no difference to me. Breaking an agreement without the consent of the other party has no moral justification in any civil or theological construct in the history of mankind. Should that fact just be ignored while certain posters assert the false claim that Management is responsible for the east not having a post-merger contract?

 

[CallawayGolf]

I realize this web site moves along pretty fast some days, but I posted early this A.M. about the TA and how the MOU/MTA displaces the TA. Or maybe my post just didn't make any impression on you. It was post #5582.

My comments were not in relation to an MOU effectuated by a merger consummation. Your point may well be valid but it does little to guarantee an SLI outcome, especially if USAPA is defunct before the M/B process begins. At that point the question will be what lists will the APA present to the arbitrator and what legal risk will be inherent with that choice as the collective bargain agent for all pilots of the new entity?

 

[A320 Driver]

You forgot to subtract the healthcare increase, and guess what you still the lowest paid in the industry and if DAL of UAL rates go down 20% yours do to great MOU. Just hope you be gone soon.

Listen up Myrtle... I DON'T CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The sky is NOT falling on anyone's head but yours and a few other malcontents.

 

[Piedmont1984]

My comments were not in relation to an MOU effectuated by a merger consummation. Your point may well be valid but it does little to guarantee an SLI outcome, especially if USAPA is defunct before the M/B process begins. At that point the question will be what lists will the APA present to the arbitrator and what legal risk will be inherent with that choice as the collective bargain agent for all pilots of the new entity?

Well if you read the pertinent section of the MOU and give any credence to Pat Szymanski's interpretation of the same, whatever lists are submitted will not carry a legal risk. Furthermore, USAPA will not be defunct until the seniority integration is complete, whether through negotiation or M/B arbitration.

 

[nevergiveup]

My comments were not in relation to an MOU effectuated by a merger consummation. Your point may well be valid but it does little to guarantee an SLI outcome, especially if USAPA is defunct before the M/B process begins. At that point the question will be what lists will the APA present to the arbitrator and what legal risk will be inherent with that choice as the collective bargain agent for all pilots of the new entity?

If USAPA is defunct before M/B begins, then M/B won't be needed as its purpose is to be used when then are two different unions, as I recall.

 

[PullUp]

Ok so now the big shiney payrates that have everyone blinded to the concessions we will be giving are only as real as the King's new clothes. Remember, the 'invisible ones'?
So, if the payrates aren't there, why are we voting for this turkey?
NO.

 

[CallawayGolf]

If USAPA is defunct before M/B begins, then M/B won't be needed as its purpose is to be used when then are two different unions, as I recall.

I agree with that assessment except for the fact that everyone who has weighed in on the upcoming SLI says it will be governed by M/B unless an agreement is reached first without going to arbitration. Of course there is the opinion that single carrier status will be attained before the SLI is even discussed, so there are certainly quite a few wrinkles to work out without a lot of legal precedence to guide the process.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Paul DiOrio did an in depth study of the DAL and UAL pay rates as part of his function as Chairman of the Negotiating Committee before Gary Hummel fired him at the behest of the company.

A careful study by him shows that pay rates after 1/1 2016 and beyond that the NAC is now showing are substantially wrong and will be substantially lower than they are telling people based on comparing Group 2 aircraft (B737-800 and the A-320) with DAL and UAL parity rates.

No one knew more about these negotiations, the pay rates and the pitfalls than Paul. Unfortunately, that was why he was removed. It made it that much easier for the Company and Gary Hummel to reach this flawed, vague and sometimes misleading agreement and to try to pass it off to us. Now, more than ever before we need someone in office that will navigate us through this mess.

Make no mistake, this MOU is a mess. No businessman in their right mind would sign off on an agreement that had such vague language intentionally placed in it. Between the 1st and 2nd MOU, there was ample time to solidify this language and I believe it was done deliberately.

If the pay rates are so badly miscalculated, what else are we missing? This is just another reason to vote for Paul DiOrio as PHL BPR Chairman.

I suggest, if you want more information that you email Paul at pjdiorio@verizon.net.

Oh goody, I was going to avoid the PHL election, but since you bring it up....Just like the CLT reps, Paul is a good guy and probably great to fly with. He was also MORE than qualified to work ON the NAC, but not as its Chair. In fact, he lost the chair for not being able to "work well and play with others." Gary waited too long to replace him, much too long. Paul is not an ALPA lover, and is a strong supporter of USAPA. Unfortunately he chose to enrich himself for four years under LOA 95, as did Parrella and Brennen. The rest of USAPA shunned that horrible document, Paul always insisted, being very junior, that he be paid to the monthly cap. Not a good role model for a future USAPA rep. Paul was unable to ever close any deal, not even a generous offer of Union Space Positive travel from the Company early on.. He was NO, NO, NO over a few small points, and the union has suffered ever since. He simply became the face of our Union's unrealistic requests to be made whole, wanting a deal worth over 1B the first year. Was never going to happen, no matter how much we deserved or wanted it. Right now Paul is embarrassing himself, making this MOU about Hummel. This is NOT a cram down, but our negotiated ticket to being part of the deal. Nobody gets it more that our NAC, BPR, Legal, and Officers. Nobody gets it less than Paul. I say stick with the guy that finally brought you a deal to vote on, that would be Jamie Weidner.    Greeter

 

[dca319]

Ahh, yes play stupid...or isn't it a game?

Meep-meep 😛 😛 😛

"Play stupid" followed with "meep-meep". Obviously not a game for you.

 

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No read it again, clueless. Play stupid is followed by the reality that you are a Forrest Gump. You aren't using a convincing smoke screen, Move2Douche!

Remember that a cocktail umbrella cannot be used as a parachute or a boulder blocker as you go over the cliff.

Meep=meep 😛 😛 😛

 

[dca319]

Oh goody, I was going to avoid the PHL election, but since you bring it up....Just like the CLT reps, Paul is a good guy and probably great to fly with. He was also MORE than qualified to work ON the NAC, but not as its Chair. In fact, he lost the chair for not being able to "work well and play with others." Gary waited too long to replace him, much too long. Paul is not an ALPA lover, and is a strong supporter of USAPA. Unfortunately he chose to enrich himself for four years under LOA 95, as did Parrella and Brennen. The rest of USAPA shunned that horrible document, Paul always insisted, being very junior, that he be paid to the monthly cap. Not a good role model for a future USAPA rep. Paul was unable to ever close any deal, not even a generous offer of Union Space Positive travel from the Company early on.. He was NO, NO, NO over a few small points, and the union has suffered ever since. He simply became the face of our Union's unrealistic requests to be made whole, wanting a deal worth over 1B the first year. Was never going to happen, no matter how much we deserved or wanted it. Right now Paul is embarrassing himself, making this MOU about Hummel. This is NOT a cram down, but our negotiated ticket to being part of the deal. Nobody gets it more that our NAC, BPR, Legal, and Officers. Nobody gets it less than Paul. I say stick with the guy that finally brought you a deal to vote on, that would be Jamie Weidner. Greeter

Great posting.

 

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Avoid the truth

 

[dca319]

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