Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Claxon]

So says the Red-Headed Step-Child of lies. It was less than 2 years ago that you said that the principles in the EVIL ADDRESS-GATE were going to jail. LIAR.

SYIC-A

The identity thieves got off too easy. Your company had to buy a subscription to Lifelock for all eastern div. pilots as a result. Parker enjoys all the mayhem and battle of his labor groups. You provide him with all he needs. The PHX Reps are a total sham.

 

[end_of_alpa]

No, you're making threats on an anonymous web board that your not man enough to say to my face.

When I see you I'll tell you, I just won't fly with you.

 

[cleardirect]

The identity thieves got off too easy. Your company had to buy a subscription to Lifelock for all eastern div. pilots as a result. Parker enjoys all the mayhem and battle of his labor groups. You provide him with all he needs. The PHX Reps are a total sham.

If you worked here you might have a say. But you don't.

First off, no one identity has been stolen. But if you had a dog in the fight and you thought there was a case you should have filed charged. Oh wait. Lots of east pilots tried but no laws were broken. No charges were ever filed. Nothing but panty wetting false accusations.

The only reason Parker can enjoy the mayhem is because the east pilots refuse to abide by their agreements. But that is all about to come to an end. If east pilots had walked into the joint negotiating session shoulder to shoulder with the west pilots 5 years ago we would have had leverage and a contract a long time ago. When the east pilots handed Parker a gift he accepted it.

The APA is going to teach th e east how a real union operates. Something the east pilots have not ever done. They are going to get to find out what it means by majority rules.

The PHX reps are doing a fine job. The only rational voices at the BPR. How is that CLT recall of their weak reps going? No one has said a word about wanting to recall our reps.

I would not put it past this band of cheats to try and change the C&BL so that other bases decide who the reps are. Following rules and laws have never proven to be beyond the east pilots ability. Example the appeal board. Don't like who won, just change the rules.

 

[cleardirect]

When I see you I'll tell you, I just won't fly with you.

That is what a no fly list is for. Oh that's right. You east guys don't want one of those.

Pretty weak ass captain if you can't operate your flight deck in a professional manner even with people you disagree with.. That no fly list is really so F/Os don't have to fly with assholes.

 

[end_of_alpa]

That is what a no fly list is for. Oh that's right. You east guys don't want one of those.

Pretty weak ass captain if you can't operate your flight deck in a professional manner even with people you disagree with.. That no fly list is really so F/Os don't have to fly with assholes.

Haven't been following the thread between us, I see.

It's one thing to disagree about politics, religion, etc. These conversations certainly mean the use of professionalism when engaged in doing their job.

When the disagreement leads to overt disrespect, that carries different connotations. Is it justifiable for the disrespect to reach the level of, say, the FFDO shooting a pilot because he doesn't respect the other pilot? (I'm not an FFDO, BTW). Just making an absurd argument here but under absolutely NO circumstances do I endorse this method of conflict resolution.....theres too much of that going on in this day and age, especially after yesterday.

I've NEVER disrespected any crewmember I've flown with and in fact I've always tried to include all crewmembers in the decision making process where appropriate. But I have been here at this airline long enough to know that the seniority issue is THE MOST CONTENTIOUS issue at US Airways/AWA and continues to fester over time if one group feels they're getting such a raw deal they lash out in an unprofessional manner. That is the point I was making and comments that move closer to the absurd can have negative connotations and consequences.....especially in this day and age.

Using web boards as flame baiting can be a dangerous occupation and can lead into other areas in life. I'm just stating the obvious, not endorsing the method in ANY case.

That is the point I was trying to convey. When someone trys to insinuate someone is a pretty "weak ass Captain" and #### has NO PLACE in the cockpit of a major airliner.

 

[Claxon]

Haven't been following the thread between us, I see.

It's one thing to disagree about politics, religion, etc. These conversations certainly mean the use of professionalism when engaged in doing their job.

When the disagreement leads to overt disrespect, that carries different connotations. Is it justifiable for the disrespect to reach the level of, say, the FFDO shooting a pilot because he doesn't respect the other pilot? (I'm not an FFDO, BTW). Just making an absurd argument here but under absolutely NO circumstances do I endorse this method of conflict resolution.....theres too much of that going on in this day and age, especially after yesterday.

I've NEVER disrespected any crewmember I've flown with and in fact I've always tried to include all crewmembers in the decision making process where appropriate. But I have been here at this airline long enough to know that the seniority issue is THE MOST CONTENTIOUS issue at US Airways/AWA and continues to fester over time if one group feels they're getting such a raw deal they lash out in an unprofessional manner. That is the point I was making and comments that move closer to the absurd can have negative connotations and consequences.....especially in this day and age.

Using web boards as flame baiting can be a dangerous occupation and can lead into other areas in life. I'm just stating the obvious, not endorsing the method in ANY case.

That is the point I was trying to convey. When someone trys to insinuate someone is a pretty "weak ass Captain" and #### has NO PLACE in the cockpit of a major airliner.

Cleardirect is a furloughed malcontent who was too stupid to take the recall. He will face this issue shortly when your merger takes place. It is pretty sad to not take a recall when it is offered and then go to the bottom of a list below new hires. Such is his fate.

 

[traderjake]

When I see you I'll tell you, I just won't fly with you.

Good, you sound paranoid, I'd have to watch you like a hawk.

I don't treat my coworkers with disrespect but I don't respect what some have done or are doing.

 

[Metroyet]

United Pilots ratified their contract. Huge pay raise. How's the "NAC" coming along with LOA93? TWO THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED SEVENTY SEVEN DAYS AND COUNTING.

USAPA has been "in control...(lol)" 57% of that time. Bradford's mass abortion is only 1,612 days late on the promised industry leading contract. If you East Captains insist upon being paid less than most major F.O's, you really should have the decency to all wear the 3 stripe epaulets...you know, as a courtesy to the rest of the industry and the professional Adults that occupy the skies with you. Think it over.

 

[traderjake]

Bradford's mass abortion is only 1,612 days late.....

Even the Teamsters told USAPA to get lost.

 

[Metroyet]

Even the Teamsters told USAPA to get lost.

Of course, so will the APA for exactly the same reason. Status quo and transferred liability for accommodating an illegal scheme. No union...one that actually exists to function AS A REAL LABOR UNION....unlike you-know-who...will touch Bradford's vision. Who would have ever thought a lowly co-pilot of a dying airline could have wrought so much financial destruction upon his colleagues? Although to be fair, most gave their blessing for their own financial rape with their ill informed vote.

 

[luvthe9]

In closing, we want to thank you for your engagement and continued support. We encourage you to stay informed to the best of your ability and we will make every attempt to make sure you are kept up to date with current information within the constraints of the NDA.
In Unity,
CLT Chairman Bill McKee
CLT Vice Chairman Steve Crimi
CLT Vice Chairman DeWitt Ingram
DCA Chairman Joe Stein
DCA Vice Chairman Pete Dugstad
PHL Chairman Steve "Spike" Szpyrka
PHL Vice Chairman Mike Gillies
PHL Vice Chairman Jamie Weidner Glad to see everyone working together.

 

[767jetz]

United Pilots ratified their contract. Huge pay raise. How's the "NAC" coming along with LOA93? TWO THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED SEVENTY SEVEN DAYS AND COUNTING.

USAPA has been "in control...(lol)" 57% of that time. Bradford's mass abortion is only 1,612 days late on the promised industry leading contract. If you East Captains insist upon being paid less than most major F.O's, you really should have the decency to all wear the 3 stripe epaulets...you know, as a courtesy to the rest of the industry and the professional Adults that occupy the skies with you. Think it over.

Yup. It's finally a done deal!

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Posted about 6 months ago by luvthe9:

"Has anyone heard from 767Jetz? how is that UAL CO contract going? He has numbers here and UAL. Which recall should he take"

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Sorry to disappoint you luv. I know you missed stalking me and all. And just like THAT, there are thousands more pilots (fo's) making more than your coveted Airbus captains. Heck even our A320 fo's are making about what you captains do. So for every east pilot still waiting for that fourth stripe, you have given up over $100,000.00 and counting. 100K+++! Brilliant move.

What now luv? You and Clax and Hate all squawking about the discontent between CAL and UAL pilots. Here are the numbers:

10,000 eligible voters.

If 80% of UAL voted yes, that's 4400 pilots..... Total yes is 6800, that leaves 2400 CAL yes's out of 4500 is......53%.....the majority.

I guess the UAL and CAL pilots came together after all.

SLI should be interesting. I'll be back to discuss that in about 9 months. Then we can compare notes again.

See ya...

 

[cleardirect]

In closing, we want to thank you for your engagement and continued support. We encourage you to stay informed to the best of your ability and we will make every attempt to make sure you are kept up to date with current information within the constraints of the NDA.
In Unity,
CLT Chairman Bill McKee
CLT Vice Chairman Steve Crimi
CLT Vice Chairman DeWitt Ingram
DCA Chairman Joe Stein
DCA Vice Chairman Pete Dugstad
PHL Chairman Steve "Spike" Szpyrka
PHL Vice Chairman Mike Gillies
PHL Vice Chairman Jamie Weidner Glad to see everyone working together.

So in your tiny mind, if 70% agrees to some update that is unity and working together.

No wonder your captains are making what other airline F/Os are making.

 

[luvthe9]

Yup. It's finally a done deal!

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SLI should be interesting. I'll be back to discuss that in about 9 months. Then we can compare notes again.

See ya...

Yo Stein, I'm happy for you!!!! 9 months son, done.

 

[luvthe9]

So in your tiny mind, if 70% agrees to some update that is unity and working together.

No wonder your captains are making what other airline F/Os are making.

We do live in a decmocracy Clear, 70% is bigger than 50%, right? try to take a recall, O'Dell will be a 190 Capt soon, he made a smart choice..