Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

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With guys like Paul "DOH or death" Music controlling the BPR APA is going to clean our clocks.

Coming from you I consider that comment meaningless.

 

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So sad you are so misguided JJ. They kept your narcicists from playing right into the Greek army's plans and more court.

Your new BPR isn't as dumb as the old hard liners and won't be allowed by legal to be suicidal now in the end on the brink of victory.

Legal has NO SAY over the C & B. As far as suicidal, I know all these guys personally and while we may have differences suicidal is not how I would describe them. But hey, beauty is in the eyes of the beholders.

 

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End of Alpa just said: "None of us are afraid of your DFR. Wait until the newly constituted BPR gets into office. You can keep Pete and Joe. "
"Victory is INDEED mine!"

Your rooster is crowing a little early.

Sgt. to his men: "Everyone who still has a mother that is alive, one step forward....NOT SO FAST Kawalski!"

Greeter

Actually, the use of the "Stewey" icon and his comment are actually a poke at the AOL West pilots who keep reminding me of the Monte Python statement: "It's only a flesh wound".

Tilting at windmills, you might say.

 

[CallawayGolf]

If you will read what I quoted again you will see that is says WHEN you are wrong again.

It's your arrogance that irritates me. You read the tea leaves of what she said publicly and made a prediction of the "only logical verdict.' You didn't have all the information. Even if you slept with her I doubt you would. The information she got outside of the court room, what her clerks pointed out to her etc. Like some many on here, you took fragments of information and came to a faulty conclusion.

That's what any thinking person does. We take all of the available information (knowing that we cannot possibly know everything) and make predictive decisions based on that information. When an outside factor beyond our control changes one of the factors we must readjust our thinking to account for the change in information. In this case Silver fully intended to grant relief and Count 1 was objectively the most logical means of granting that relief and so my prediction at the time was predicated on that. She changed her intentions and thus decided not to grant the relief the Company sought. Not even Silver knew that her later rulings would all but contradict her earlier rulings, but she's the judge and only an appeal to the Ninth will make her go back and rule the way she may have intended to in the first place.

 

[traderjake]

Coming from you I consider that comment meaningless.

Says the guy who quite the union he helped create.

Counting the days until your union disappears.

 

[CallawayGolf]

And you totally blew Addington and the 9th. Your track record is specious at best.

Where did I make a prediction on Addington or the Ninth? I wasn't even on these boards when Addington was in trial and I may have offered some logical views on how the Ninth would treat this case, but I certainly didn't claim that they would uphold Wake's ruling. In fact, I believe I said that Ripeness was the primary wildcard. I believed that Wake (and later Bybee) was correct in interpreting Ripeness but that I could see how they might not be persuaded. If the Ninth had affirmed Ripeness and gotten to the point of evaluating merits, then this would be a whole different conversation right now. So, looks like I was right on that one also, since you are keeping score (but doing so incorrectly).

 

[snapthis]

I too vote for Valentine's Day. Then all the media can put little hearts between all the logos and airplane pictures! And headlines that will make us all groan.

Greeter

This goofy thing comes to mind

 

[nic4us]

But that would not be factual. The APA 2012 CBA, which the MOU is based on, is in effect regardless of a merger.

Yes, and we are talking about a SLI that will not happen unless there is a merger.

So, if no merger, then the APA is on a slightly better contract than the West, and a significantly better contract than the east, so what, they get their deal......( which BTW was a second offer that team Horton came up with rather than the plan A of gutting their contract in bankruptcy, after Parker came calling.....IOW, pretty good evidence they got APA 2012 because of the merger)........

Now if there is a merger, we are on the exact same contract, in lieu of continued negotiations of LOA93 and contract 2004..

I think we are arguing the same thing.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Says the guy who quite the union he helped create.

Counting the days until your union disappears.

As least I DID SOMETHING in this company and the world. You just throw darts on web boards, like you always do.

No family, no friends, no life. How sad.

 

[traderjake]

As least I DID SOMETHING in this company and the world.

No family, no friends, no life. How sad.

You helped make this pilot group despised and the laughing stock of the industry.

Thanks for the interest in my personal life.

Have you and luvthe9 scheduled the next meeting of my fan club?

 

[EastUS1]

Have you and luvthe9 scheduled the next meeting of my fan club?

I can't speak for them Jake, but if you're puttin' on a good lunch or dinner...I'll show up. Any man that uses that particular Ghandi quote as a signature line during these troubling times can't be all bad. 😉

 

[Pi brat]

That's what any thinking person does. We take all of the available information (knowing that we cannot possibly know everything) and make predictive decisions based on that information. When an outside factor beyond our control changes one of the factors we must readjust our thinking to account for the change in information. In this case Silver fully intended to grant relief and Count 1 was objectively the most logical means of granting that relief and so my prediction at the time was predicated on that. She changed her intentions and thus decided not to grant the relief the Company sought. Not even Silver knew that her later rulings would all but contradict her earlier rulings, but she's the judge and only an appeal to the Ninth will make her go back and rule the way she may have intended to in the first place.

What "earlier rulings"? I don't remember but one ruling, but many hearings.

 

[traderjake]

Any man that uses that particular Ghandi quote as a signature line during these times can't be all bad. 😉

Does that make up for the Det. Hardy quote?

 

[EastUS1]

Does that make up for the Det. Hardy quote?

LOL...Pretty much.

 

[EastUS1]

That's what any thinking person does. We take all of the available information (knowing that we cannot possibly know everything) and make predictive decisions based on that information. When an outside factor beyond our control changes one of the factors we must readjust our thinking to account for the change in information. In this case Silver fully intended to grant relief and Count 1 was objectively the most logical means of granting that relief and so my prediction at the time was predicated on that. She changed her intentions and thus decided not to grant the relief the Company sought. Not even Silver knew that her later rulings would all but contradict her earlier rulings, but she's the judge and only an appeal to the Ninth will make her go back and rule the way she may have intended to in the first place.

Whew! "When an outside factor beyond our control changes one of the factors we must readjust our thinking to account for the change in information."..? Ya' know Pilgrim?...You take the longest time and most verbage I've ever seen anywhere outside of career poliitcians to tap dance around the fact that you were just, flat-out WRONG! 😉