Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[EastUS1]

dca319 is an idiot.

Fully demonstrated, and no possible argument from me there. What most concerns me lately is the apparently universal west, with some supposed east suporters notions attached of: "Oh well...weez beez jess' second class, utterly wuthless dipshits...po' AWA/US-wuthless-trailer-trash...an' we'll all jess' beez real happy, takin' whatevers scraps masa thinks weez be wuth"..."Weez all knows 'dat masa knows best, and weez jess' grateful to be allowed to pick cotton heyah!"

There's much I'll miss when finally done with all of this...but the rank stupiidty and utterly spineless nature of some, most certainly, won't play ANY part in that! Whenever, in future, I allow myself down the road of memories of even just commercial aviation experiences...well..the whole AWA puppies/kittens "association" thing won't much register as anything other than a brief and very, very strange indeed, bad dream.

Utterly pathetic wunderkinder when pre-considering their apparently, in reality, already completely surrendered support for the, or even ANY mou:

 

[Phoenix]

dca319 is an idiot. Believe anything he says at your own peril.

I don't know that we have to resort to calling him names. I think he is stumbling around, passing out info, and just trying to sift through it all, while he peruses the catalogue for a bigger, shiny piggy bank.

"5 days ago"...?

 

[Phoenix]

...
The APA is not stupid, which is what they would be if they used the Nic. If the Nic were used in an SLI with American, In ten to fifteen years the top of the list would be made up almost entirely of former American West pilots. ...

I fail to see the issue. Saving a major airline is hard work. Saving two is heroic.

 

[cleardirect]

You've the proverbial villiage idiot's proclivity for restating the obvious, when even that opportunity's afforded to you...which, whenever you're not otherwise dodging any/all direct questions of any kind; I've long-since come to expect. I'd asked for any direct reference to Mr. Nic and the mess here. = dca319: "something like what Niclau put together."....? If such excessive "subtlety" easilly escapes you...well..have a fine night regardless. 😉

where did I say that I was voting yes? I said because of east pilots the company only offers scraps.

Once the MOU is released I will read and consider it. If it is better than what we have now I will vote yes. If like last time it is worse, I will vote no. Sometimes you have to understand when you are in a no win situation. That is where usapa has put the US Airways pilots. No leverage and no ability to get anything better. Forced to accept scraps.

 

[fatherabraham]

My apologies as I was unaware you lacked the desire to effect your own search on this forum. I've done it on you behalf and it can be found under post 2075.


APA Letter:

"We have seen a model for a successfully arbitrated seniority integration at Delta-Northwest using fences and a ratio methodology based on a percentile seniority list ranking. Also, if an American Airlines-US Airways seniority integration were to be arbitrated, our attorneys have indicated that the ongoing seniority dispute between “West” and “East” at US Airways would be settled as part of the process and should not have any negative impact on an arbitrator’s decision under the McCaskill-Bond statute."

http://aviationblog....le-merger.html/

Dca,

Only in your wildest dreams will APA entertain a Sli inclusive of the Nic.
As they stated, if may be like the delta/nwa process. But that would almost assuredly have a snapshot start date of all 3 in 2013 IMO .
Did you miss what their atty's stated above?

FA

 

[EastUS1]

"You've the proverbial villiage idiot's proclivity for restating the obvious, when even that opportunity's afforded to you...which, whenever you're not otherwise dodging any/all direct questions of any kind; I've long-since come to expect. I'd asked for any direct reference to Mr. Nic and the mess here. = dca319: "something like what Niclau put together."....? If such excessive "subtlety" easilly escapes you...well..have a fine night regardless."

where did I say that I was voting yes?

I'll freely confess that I've recently found myself no longer able to suffer fools gladly. Doing so's a complete waste of my time. Would you be so kind as either reply to a post addressing your voting procilivites, or otherwise note that anything you've quoted and are responding to even addresses your vote?

Whatever your notions...I'll again just suggest a serious evaluation of whatever's to be voted on, prior to doing so.

Good night.

 

[traderjake]

The official list to be used in any SLI for the US Airways pilots is date of hire with conditions and restrictions. The Nic is a list that is no longer valid and will not be used in any future SLI.

The seniority list exists in the contract.

Where's the contract that contains a DOH with C&Rs seniority list?

 

[traderjake]

It must not take much to ensure your happiness, which I suppose is a good thing.

Says the guy who's happy with LOA 93.

 

[EastUS1]

The seniority list exists in the contract.

Well...there we have it folks, right form the voice of "LT hardy" himself....there's nofurther reason to even trifle with such trivia as that produced by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeal, or even Judge Silver's court. 🙂 Anytime anyone needs a controlling, legal opinion?...All that's ever needed is to request one of any line pilot with an attitude. 😉

Again..Good night to all, even you..":LT Hardy" 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

Say the guy who's happy with LOA 93.

I honestly, couldn't personally and selfishly give a rat's arse about airline pay, but you're obviously willing to instantly sell-out your supposed soul, and all junior to you, based entirely on the DOH you hold, that you would cheerfully disenfranchise them from, for the proverbial 30 pieces of silver. If you've some strange need to see hoards of entirely undeserving, west locusts taking from your fellows/coworkers of many years...well...that's YOUR personal (and VERY strange indeed) problem...Period! why's that anyway?...Are you too inept as a "Trader" to make any money?

I'm entirely unable to any olonger even imagine that your notuions are based on "Principles", and you've my honest and sincere sympathy Jake, at your station in life...but not for your eagerness to sell out those junior. May God help you.

 

[traderjake]

God help you.

Romans 2:5

New International Version (NIV)

[sup]5 [/sup]But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.

I like my chances alot better than yours.

At least I try to of keep agreements I make and not cheat my fellow man.

 

[Claxon]

I said because of east pilots the company only offers scraps.

That is where usapa has put the US Airways pilots. No leverage and no ability to get anything better. Forced to accept scraps.

What have you done to help US Airways pilots in general, to improve your lazy behind? Nothing. How have the west pilots helped themselves to get a better contract? Nothing. You only want the nic and East pilot wide bodies and attrition. Look at you now sitting in PHX competing against Southwest. This is what you brought to the merger, nothing but a call sign and AMR Hortons former cubicle room mate.

You america west pilots attempted to destroy and delay anything USAPA has done. You defecated in envelopes and sent them to USAPA. You sent porn material to USAPA reps homes. Your west management pilot handed over East pilots personal information to that greasy fergie hired in 2004.

In the past, to survive you scabbed, flew drugs, flew drunk. Reported UFO's. You will always be known as a former america west pilot, your proper place in hell.

 

[EastUS1]

I like my chances alot better than yours.

Goody for you! 😉 I'm content to NEVER arrogantly presume on His Will, and let Allmighty God decide, as He Will, without much regard for either of our individual, or collective, foolishly arrogant notions. More the complete fool you to presume otherwise...which displays a level of unimaginable arrogance to me...best you hope not to Him...but again...I don't ever presume on His Will...I'll leave that infantile folly to such as yourself.

 

[cleardirect]

Well...there we have it folks, right form the voice of "LT hardy" himself....there's nofurther reason to even trifle with such trivia as that produced by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeal, or even Judge Silver's court. 🙂 Anytime anyone needs a controlling, legal opinion?...All that's ever needed is to request one of any line pilot with an attitude. 😉

Again..Good night to all, even you..":LT Hardy" 🙂

Old man are you one of those fools still fighting the civil war?

The ninth circuit and judge Silver will become moot very soon.

Try and keep up. What have you boys been telling us since judge silver ruled? That IF usapa can come up with a LUP usapa can negotiate with the company for a seniority list that might not be the nicolau in a new contract.

Events are over running you. We are going to have an MOU, then a new union, then a new joint contract. Seniority is not going to be discussed. Once we have a contract WHO are you going to negotiate with? The ninth and judge Silver are not going to matter.

After a contract is in place then an arbitration is going to take place. The company will be a party to that arbitration so will the new union. The company has stated many times in court that they believe it is the Nicolau and using anything else will get them sued and they will loss. The APA wants nothing to do with liability and the safe ground is the Nicolau, dangerous ground is not the Nicolau. Guess who will not be a party to that arbitration? usapa. With usapa gone there is no one for the ninth and judge Silvers ruling to apply to. Know who will still exist? The west class.

So once we have a joint contract in place you can hang those rulings on the wall like your once mighty contract. It will have no meaning except for some memory of an old man about what might have been.

 

[cleardirect]

What have you done to help US Airways pilots in general, to improve your lazy behind? Nothing. How have the west pilots helped themselves to get a better contract? Nothing. You only want the nic and East pilot wide bodies and attrition. Look at you now sitting in PHX competing against Southwest. This is what you brought to the merger, nothing but a call sign and AMR Hortons former cubicle room mate.

You america west pilots attempted to destroy and delay anything USAPA has done. You defecated in envelopes and sent them to USAPA. You sent porn material to USAPA reps homes. Your west management pilot handed over East pilots personal information to that greasy fergie hired in 2004.

In the past, to survive you scabbed, flew drugs, flew drunk. Reported UFO's. You will always be known as a former america west pilot, your proper place in hell.

WOW!

Mike Cleary is that you?

Man the walls must really be closing in on you now. You get this upset and you don't even work at US Airways. How bad must your job and life be dude? To spend this much time on this board ranting about something that has no effect on your life.

Unless you are Mike Cleary and a complete liar telling us that you don't work for US Airways.