Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Ames]

Exactly. We will have a JCBA before we enter SLI with American

....and what does a JCBA trigger? You guessed it. Nicolau!

 

[luvthe9]

....and what does a JCBA trigger? You guessed it. Nicolau!

Not again.

 

[fifidriver]

...having seen Ahlzhiemers first hand...in my own family tree... ...we do all eventually fail and die over over time...

Upon returning home after generating a tremendous profit for our evil taskmasters and perusing the usual verbal vomit, I can only conclude that either Clear is right and the panic is pandemic, or quite possibly someone lost the "A" system and blew hydraulic fluid all over the bathroom floor, or most likely both. That's o.k., I keep a close eye on the low quantity light myself, and replenish the reservoir as necessary. Sometimes it gets over-serviced. I hate it when that happens.
While skimming through the obligatory; "I am God's gift to aviation", "you kids suck", and "I like LOA 93", I came across this telling tidbit. I think it explains a few things. That horrible disease is somewhat heritable. If anyone knows this dude and cares about him, please check in on him from time to time. It is probably about time to keep a little closer watch.
I do have a suggestion though; Nicholas Sparks, The Notebook. I think that either the book or the movie would do the trick. My wife just watched this thing on Lifetime Television for Women. All you have to do is loiter in the vicinity and murmur a few appropriate platitudes at the proper time. If you can stomach this thing and still get it up, it might be teary, but I guarantee that even you will get some. But I digress...
I think the story line has a woman with Alzheimer's keeping a notebook or journal with all of her dogfights, exploits, conquests and stuff fully documented, and then the dude reads it to her when she forgets.
Here's my advice: Get a notebook. Write there. Then find someone to read to you.
I wish you the best of luck.

...Now where the heck is that smarmy, smiley face emoticon located?

 

[cleardirect]

Also the MOU is not modifying east west contracts. It is a road map to a contract with AA. Not touching east west.

Really. Our current T/A did not modify LOA 93?

Did you have min fleet and block hours in LOA 93?

The MOU will be changing rates of pay and work rules. Or do you think you will stay on LOA 93 pay until we have a joint contract?

All the east pilots are running around screaming about CoC and this MOU will get rid of the CoC, would that not be "touching" your contract?

 

[cleardirect]

Not again.

ALWAYS!

 

[cleardirect]

That's easy = People like yourself are both wimps and essentially stupid. Why would/should I, or anyone else, ever willingly tolerate such as yourself without challenge? It has nothing to do with self-validation...Your sorry, spineless sort just disgusts me, and I've no reasons whatsoever, to tolerate any BS from the likes of you. 😉 If you can come up with even one reason...well..let me know....perhaps I've missed something? 😉

You're not a patient of mine....merely a mouthy and clueless adversary...however profoundly inept. Deal with it.

I suppose, in fairness...I could revert to military philosophy = People one protects with one's life versus those that are Targets...Which one would you believe yourself to be here?...and what reason could you possibly imagine for my wishing to protect you? 😉

Per: "challenging posters to dogfights"..? That's utter nonsense, and only serves to demonstrate your clearly civilian/never-served, "virginal purity". "dogfights" would be deadly serious, and long-ago, largely eclipsed by technology. Most of our kills in Desert Storm weren't even in visual range....and that was over 20 years ago now. All I've ever offered up is merely a challenged wager to some purely recreational flying....People don't die in that kind of lightweight-fun, and it's hardly serious. Given that; I would not expect the pathetic likes of yourself to be up for even that....Please prove me wrong there. 🙂 PM if interested.

First I doubt that anyone is concerned about what your opinion is of them.

Simply amazing that in order to feel like a man or better than someone else you continue to challenge people to something you admit has not been done in over 20 years. Talk about trying to relive your glory days. I imagine it would be easy to spot you in the crew room you will be the one with both hands in the air like airplanes telling the same story from 30 years ago,"there I was". go get em' Mav.

Has anyone taken you up on your little fantasy?

Why not just slap someone with a gauntlet and paintball guns at 10 paces at dawn. You could get Cleary as your second. It has as much relevance.

Adults have moved beyond the school yard meet me behind the jungle gym antics.

But lucky for all of us you will be gone very soon and you can stare at the walls and dream about what used to be or could have been.

 

[westcoastflyer]

How many days do you think it will be until we get the details of the super-secret MOU from our illustrious union? They are probably agonizing over how to break the news. Time to activate the ultimate USAPA Spin Machine!

 

[Claxon]

I think this is something you still misunderstand...

Our transition agreement very clearly defined how the NIC would become the official list... There had to be a ratified agreement between the East and West... That never happened. If a merger occurs, it cannot ever happen.

Trying to say that a merger with American and a CJBA with American satisfies that requirement is a far stretch... I have posted this before, and will copy and paste once again...

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You skipped over the part just above what you quoted. I agree, the part you quoted says "the single agreement". If you look, "the single agreement" is defined. Here it is:

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V. Negotiation of a Collective Bargaining Agreement

The Association and the Airline Parties will negotiate a single collective bargaining agreement applicable to the merged operations of America West and US Airways ("the single agreement") as follows:
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So it does say it has to be an agreement between East and West. Also, if you look at the definition of the "Parties", you will notice AMR and the APA seem to be missing...
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To try and say an agreement between the East and West AND the APA satisfies this requirement is like saying you can just add additional parties to any agreement and it's still binding.

Let's say I decide to buy a house. I negotiate a binding contract between just myself and the bank for a mortgage... We are the only two parties listed on the contract. It's approved, I just have to sign to make it official. Just before I sign and make it official, I decide to add a friend (third party) to the deal. Do you think that would be ok? Just add somebody else to an agreement that wasn't originally on there?? I think we both know that trying to add another party to an agreement like that couldn't happen and still have the original agreement become binding... Just sayin...

Your assessment is entirely correct sir. The western group was promised the Nicolau and it ultimately will be an award that is unattainable, and will cement their position very low on the AA list. Their windfall turned into a nightmare. All the whilst they cheer the APA, the APA will soon roll out a plan that has no position for younger western div pilots to realize anything good. It will be a multiple pronged disaster for them. Soon, their vitriol will spew to the AA pilots.
There was never a joint east-west JCBA. Therefore, no Nicolau. They missed that boat.
Cleardirect, being furloughed and having passed on recall, is in the most dangerous position of all. He will realize the position he wished on the eastern div pilots. The bottom. How fitting.

 

[Metroyet]

Your assessment is entirely correct sir. The western group was promised the Nicolau and it ultimately will be an award that is unattainable, and will cement their position very low on the AA list. Their windfall turned into a nightmare. All the whilst they cheer the APA, the APA will soon roll out a plan that has no position for younger western div pilots to realize anything good. It will be a multiple pronged disaster for them. Soon, their vitriol will spew to the AA pilots.
There was never a joint east-west JCBA. Therefore, no Nicolau. They missed that boat.
Cleardirect, being furloughed and having passed on recall, is in the most dangerous position of all. He will realize the position he wished on the eastern div pilots. The bottom. How fitting.

You wanted single carrier status. You got it years ago. The Nic arbitration is complete per the TA. How many single carriers with arbitrated list integrations are considered two separate airlines 5 years after the fact? Will the Company embrase this "novel" concept when proffering a certified list via MB? knowing with certainty the legal dangerous ground?

I know in lunatic scab world usapia this all makes perfect sense. I'll just point to USAPAS laundry list of over promised abject failures without added comment.

 

[Ames]

"... such miserable bastards."...?

Amusing indeed son. You needn't fret there though, as I honestly doubt that given the magical opportunity, I'd trade even some single, individual years of my life for the entirety of yours...especially having viewed your perspectives. No matter. To each his own, I suppose. Revel in your adolescant hostility and general, spiritual malaise as you see best fit to do...which costs no others anything...or eventually just grow up. Your choice. Unllike yourself; I wish none out west/those in opposition here, any ill/evil/hardship or harm. What would even be the point in doing so?

Seriously though = Cheer up kid! There's no pressing need for anyone to ever go through his/her entire life as just a "wanna-be" and otherwise, just generally frustrated and angry person. Help is available for such maladies these days...or otherwise just get off your arse and make your dreams come true. You wanted to become a doctor?...Ok..If you flew an F4 without killing yourself...You can't be a completely undisciplined, hopeless, villiage idiot (regardless of how you represent yourself here)...Yet you've nothing better to do than sit here and wish ill on others? Sigh!....Make what you want from life happen. It rarely does so on it's own accord.

"Argue for your limitations and sure enough, they're yours." Richard Bach

Once again you prove yourself to be the ultimate asswipe (and a miserable old bastard).

 

[Ames]

PM me your name so I can make sure I throw up before we fly together and not during the flight

Truth hurts. I assume lots of you will be throwing up when you finally realize the truth.

 

[Ames]

dca319 is an idiot. Believe anything he says at your own peril.

...said the proven idiot.

 

[Ames]

Romans 2:5

New International Version (NIV)

[sup]5 [/sup]But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.

I like my chances alot better than yours.

At least I try to of keep agreements I make and not cheat my fellow man.

Well said. +1

 

[Ames]

You truly are a mess. So filled with anger and vitriol that you can't maintain any level of civil discourse.

Yeah. We have a pool going here on the west as to when he will blow a gasket.

 

[Ames]

If that's your best "take" from reading here..then you're the one that needs professional help. Hint = No reason ever exists to either suffer fools like yourself, nor tolerate spineless jackazzes of any kind..period. If you believe otherwise....You either need some hormone therapy or the transplanting of a spine...or just put Dr. Phil on speed dial...cry a little..cry even more, make it sincere, and wait for a deeply nourishing, group hug. 😉

The first step in helping mental illness is admitting you have it. Are you capable of taking that step yet?