Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Phoenix]

Romans 2:5

New International Version (NIV)

[sup]5 [/sup]But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.

I like my chances alot better than yours.

At least I try to of keep agreements I make and not cheat my fellow man.

Your indignation is a bit humorous in view of the facts of the agreement you selectively remember.

The nic abomination was never to be effective unless both sides, with veto authority, agreed to a new JCBA. The fact that even a single and combined vote was unable to preserve the hope of nic by retaining John Prater (peace be upon him), well lets just say wails of misery, and accusations of wickedness and unrighteousness make the majority chuckle at best or just stare in disbelief at the vicious hope of collecting on such a self-evident windfall. People already benefitted at the plundering of pensions, even of retired pilots, enjoyed the benefits of 2,000 furloughs, the jets for job fiasco, the age 65 extension, and now a few hungry souls still need to feast on the carcass of seniority... And are indignant.

 

[Beancounter]

How's the weather on Fantasy Island?

Light drivel with Santa Ana (lots of hot air) this afternoon. Expect a complete disconect from reality throughout the day🙂

Bean

 

[Black Swan]

Upon returning home after generating a tremendous profit for our evil taskmasters and perusing the usual verbal vomit, I can only conclude that either Clear is right and the panic is pandemic, or quite possibly someone lost the "A" system and blew hydraulic fluid all over the bathroom floor, or most likely both. That's o.k., I keep a close eye on the low quantity light myself, and replenish the reservoir as necessary. Sometimes it gets over-serviced. I hate it when that happens.
While skimming through the obligatory; "I am God's gift to aviation", "you kids suck", and "I like LOA 93", I came across this telling tidbit. I think it explains a few things. That horrible disease is somewhat heritable. If anyone knows this dude and cares about him, please check in on him from time to time. It is probably about time to keep a little closer watch.
I do have a suggestion though; Nicholas Sparks, The Notebook. I think that either the book or the movie would do the trick. My wife just watched this thing on Lifetime Television for Women. All you have to do is loiter in the vicinity and murmur a few appropriate platitudes at the proper time. If you can stomach this thing and still get it up, it might be teary, but I guarantee that even you will get some. But I digress...
I think the story line has a woman with Alzheimer's keeping a notebook or journal with all of her dogfights, exploits, conquests and stuff fully documented, and then the dude reads it to her when she forgets.
Here's my advice: Get a notebook. Write there. Then find someone to read to you.
I wish you the best of luck.

...Now where the heck is that smarmy, smiley face emoticon located?

Great post. 🙂

 

[Black Swan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nntd2fgMUYw

 

[prechilill]

That's easy = People like yourself are both wimps and essentially stupid. Why would/should I, or anyone else, ever willingly tolerate such as yourself without challenge? It has nothing to do with self-validation...Your sorry, spineless sort just disgusts me, and I've no reasons whatsoever, to tolerate any BS from the likes of you. 😉 If you can come up with even one reason...well..let me know....perhaps I've missed something? 😉

You're not a patient of mine....merely a mouthy and clueless adversary...however profoundly inept. Deal with it.

I suppose, in fairness...I could revert to military philosophy = People one protects with one's life versus those that are Targets...Which one would you believe yourself to be here?...and what reason could you possibly imagine for my wishing to protect you? 😉

Per: "challenging posters to dogfights"..? That's utter nonsense, and only serves to demonstrate your clearly civilian/never-served, "virginal purity". "dogfights" would be deadly serious, and long-ago, largely eclipsed by technology. Most of our kills in Desert Storm weren't even in visual range....and that was over 20 years ago now. All I've ever offered up is merely a challenged wager to some purely recreational flying....People don't die in that kind of lightweight-fun, and it's hardly serious. Given that; I would not expect the pathetic likes of yourself to be up for even that....Please prove me wrong there. 🙂 PM if interested.

Can someone please throw a blanket over his cage??? That should shut him up

 

[Claxon]

GOAT VIDEO

The following video (give it a few seconds to load) that includes soft core beastiality, was produced by an america west pilot. It was published right before alpa was fired by the original East US Airways pilots. west pilots were paid up to 75 percent of what real airline pilots were paid since their inception in 1983, but they attempted to cut in line with alpa’s help.

The table of pilots depicted in this video are those that I respect and envy. I envy them because I wish I was in the picture. If it was not for them, west pilots would have received a major windfall at East pilots expense.

After the history of how the original pilots of Pan Am, Eastern, Braniff, Midway, TWA, Frontier, Continental (the original, not the scab laden airline now) and many more were cast aside, US Airways original pilots said no more. The East pilots made major sacrifices to stand up for what is right and I would be proud to be part of them. I admire your courage USAPA founders and East pilots.

http://www.dailymotion.com/airbuscaptain2000#video=x4119h

 

[Claxon]

Goat video producer.

Quoted on the following web site;


"Dave,
I'm not happy with some of USAPA's actions, but your "Goat video", and your replies to me when I asked you to remove it from the internet, prevent me from voting for you. Will you be visiting the east crew bases? I'd like to meet you and discuss the issues.
Captain Tony Rankin"

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=david%20america%20west%20usapa%20for%20president&source=video&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDoQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fvimeo.com%2F4421115&ei=YEvqUOiyF-W90QGVnIHwCQ&usg=AFQjCNGy03V1RnUNfJYStjmPZdKT7Uu2LA

 

[prechilill]

I think this is something you still misunderstand...

Our transition agreement very clearly defined how the NIC would become the official list... There had to be a ratified agreement between the East and West... That never happened. If a merger occurs, it cannot ever happen.

Trying to say that a merger with American and a CJBA with American satisfies that requirement is a far stretch... I have posted this before, and will copy and paste once again...

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You skipped over the part just above what you quoted. I agree, the part you quoted says "the single agreement". If you look, "the single agreement" is defined. Here it is:

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V. Negotiation of a Collective Bargaining Agreement

The Association and the Airline Parties will negotiate a single collective bargaining agreement applicable to the merged operations of America West and US Airways ("the single agreement") as follows:
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So it does say it has to be an agreement between East and West. Also, if you look at the definition of the "Parties", you will notice AMR and the APA seem to be missing...
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To try and say an agreement between the East and West AND the APA satisfies this requirement is like saying you can just add additional parties to any agreement and it's still binding.

Let's say I decide to buy a house. I negotiate a binding contract between just myself and the bank for a mortgage... We are the only two parties listed on the contract. It's approved, I just have to sign to make it official. Just before I sign and make it official, I decide to add a friend (third party) to the deal. Do you think that would be ok? Just add somebody else to an agreement that wasn't originally on there?? I think we both know that trying to add another party to an agreement like that couldn't happen and still have the original agreement become binding... Just sayin...

You are wrong. The TA does not say a "JCBA between AWA and US" like you allege. You added the word "between" in an attempt to prove your false point.

Rather, the TA says "negotiate a single collective bargaining agreement applicable to the merged operations of America West and US Airways ("the single agreement") "

Clearly, a new JCBA will satisfy an agreement between the merged operations, its just that it will be including American as well as AWA and US.

Game over for the east. We are getting a JCBA which will be applicable to the merged operations of AWA and US.

 

[Claxon]

You are wrong. The TA does not say a "JCBA between AWA and US" like you allege. You added the word "between" in an attempt to prove your false point.

Rather, the TA says "negotiate a single collective bargaining agreement applicable to the merged operations of America West and US Airways ("the single agreement") "

Clearly, a new JCBA will satisfy an agreement between the merged operations, its just that it will be including American as well as AWA and US.

Game over for the east. We are getting a JCBA which will be applicable to the merged operations of AWA and US.

The agreement in the MOU will state that fences for American pilots will be for 7 years, more for wide bodies.

The McCaskill-Bond Amendment will be used. The west will operate separate from the East for a few years that it takes for the process of this. It will be a Menage a trois.

I have had a few Menage a trois experiences in my life, but not involving airline mergers. I do know one thing, after a few days when you have to start talking to each other, it becomes more challenging to maintain the relationship.

http://www.google.co...355534169,d.dmQ

 

[Phoenix]

The agreement in the MOU will state that fences for American pilots will be for 7 years, more for wide bodies.

The McCaskill-Bond Amendment will be used. The west will operate separate from the East for a few years that it takes for the process of this. It will be a Menage a trois.

I have had a few Menage a trois experiences in my life, but not involving airline mergers. I do know one thing, after a few days when you have to start talking to each other, it becomes more challenging to maintain the relationship.

http://www.google.co...355534169,d.dmQ

Living in PHX won't be a bad thing since the global warming trend is reversing and we are headed for an ice age now.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Chill said: "You are wrong. The TA does not say a "JCBA between AWA and US" like you allege. You added the word "between" in an attempt to prove your false point.

Rather, the TA says "negotiate a single collective bargaining agreement applicable to the merged operations of America West and US Airways ("the single agreement") "

Clearly, a new JCBA will satisfy an agreement between the merged operations, its just that it will be including American as well as AWA and US.

Game over for the east. We are getting a JCBA which will be applicable to the merged operations of AWA and US. "


I believe the MOU will include a well-known and Federally mandated methodology for merging the pilot groups. At the exact instant it is ratified by all US Airways pilots (having already been ratified by APA) it will replace any contrary language in the long dead and hopelessly outdated LOA 96. Exactly at that that moment. We will then, once again, have a new three legged stool. APA, USAPA, and the New AMR.

Don't worry, all comers will be free to still bring DFR lawsuits to bear on "unquestionably ripe" seniority lists, but as before, only when a JCBA is ratified between APA and USAPA. Note: ALPA is absent.

Better get your "no" votes lined up.

Done deal.

Greeter

 

[prechilill]

Negative Greeter, the MOU will only specify the merging of two pilot groups, not three like you falsely believe. Once a JCBA is agreed upon the conditions of the TA between east ans west SLI will be complete, we will be one pilot group. Game over, NIC wins. Sorry Charley...

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Negative Greeter, the MOU will only specify the merging of two pilot groups, not three like you falsely believe. Once a JCBA is agreed upon the conditions of the TA between east ans west SLI will be complete, we will be one pilot group. Game over, NIC wins. Sorry Charley...

Indeed. There is some really bad Tuna smell here. Not coming from me. To the rest of you reading this, please understand. The second you all ratify the new MOU, the old T/A (LOA 96) is rendered dead, null, and void as to seniority intergrations. It was a useless document for years anyway, but will soon not even be lawsuit fodder. Greeter

 

[prechilill]

Indeed. There is some really bad Tuna smell here. Not coming from me. To the rest of you reading this, please understand. The second you all ratify the new MOU, the old T/A (LOA 96) is rendered dead, null, and void as to seniority intergrations. It was a useless document for years anyway, but will soon not even be lawsuit fodder. Greeter

Omg you are Clueless. The MOU modifies sections of the TA, east/ west seniority integration is not one of those sections. The MOU will address US and AA SLI, quit making stuff up to suit your fantasy of screwing the west.

Although, I do find it comical how you have totally abandoned the DOH crusade and now are hoping for a 3 way- you desperate old man... Lol

 

[traderjake]

The East pilots made major sacrifices to stand up for what is right and I would be proud to be part of them.

We are hiring and I'm sure luvthe9 and MM will personally recommend you.

Here's your chance work with your heros.

Let us know when you start class.