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Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

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This is such a steaming pile of inaccuracies and misrepresentations that I cannot even start to comment on it.Next.Greeter

That's an apt summation...and you've a kind streak in you Greeter, for such a basic response sir. 😉
 
Another steaming pile of stale news. The West pilots got profit sharing because they were due it. Not rocket science, and in fact the entire East MEC at the time agreed it was better to give to them right off the bat, then take the chance of ALL losing the fundage. At the time (late 2006) it amounted to each East pilot giving up about $600 of about 5K..of moneys that would actually already belonged to the West. Had the battle been fought, there was no "profit sharing fund." During arbitration, had the Company had a bad year, they simply would have spent the moneys. Please. Old news. Old logic. Dead issue. Move on.Greeter
If you think I struck a nerve with this one, just be patient, there is more. The west had no retirement, until alpa gave it to them in the transition agreement via a DC contribution. Tune in alpa shill.
 
If you think I struck a nerve with this one, just be patient, there is more. The west had no retirement, until alpa gave it to them in the transition agreement via a DC contribution. Tune in alpa shill.

More stale news? Can't wait.
 
If you think I struck a nerve with this one, just be patient, there is more. The west had no retirement, until alpa gave it to them in the transition agreement via a DC contribution. Tune in alpa shill.

First. Clax, we are on the same team. But you have to at least get the history right. I am asking here, but I believe the West already had a contribution, and that it was brought up a few percentage points by Parker to match our current 10%. There is a rub here, because Parker claimed for years he was bound by the CBA from moving any compensation forward, for either group. But he indeed favored the West on this one. Good for them, it did not come out of my "pie," I could care less what they get. Greeter
 
Actually...not only are you the LIAR there, but also just another little AWA "spartan", "knight"...and perhaps even little Princess...that refuses to accept even a gentleman's wager to recreational flight.? C'mon "tough guy"...You flew F4's..right?...that should make you the true Champion Deluxe of the pathetic little AWA princesses...most all of which are complete, hopeless, and utter wimps...How about we do the wager? 🙂 The truth is that you whole, patheitc "westies" contingentmostly make me sick...and you're the ONLy one who's stated any actual "street cred" on this thread = You're fair game.

C'mon "Bad Dude"...You've the proper mouth and the arrogance son...let's back that up, shall we? 🙂 C'mon Ames...As pathetic as it is: Your the ONLY one of your pathetic AWA kindred here that's even referenced any real flying...How about the wager? 😉

Frankly..as even a very junior officer...You don't much impress me, so far....feel lucky? 🙂 You DON'T get ANY free out here = You're really an Aviator/USAF/etc and F4 sort who's actually got a pair...or you're just another pathetic, lying, arrogant, entirely worthless, little AWA Princess/Pissant....Your choice.

"Once again proving himself to be the ultimate asswipe.... and a lying POS. " Them's fightin' words little AWA princess/punk...You're properly now and firmly called out son! 😉

Tell me that anyone here wouldn't just love to be part of, video/whatever the results of an east-west, aerial "duel" of any sort?...Thought so. Pressure's now on you, precious lilltle Ames Princess.....? Do you honestly have even the slightest shred of supposed "Honor" or "Integrity"?..or are you just another, completely pathetic, westie Fantasyland type?

Take your time son, as I sadly expect that you're nothing more than yet another blowhard, pathetic little AWA Princess, and complete BS artist...PLEASE, PLEASE prove me wrong here...I'm SERIOUSLY bored with this "airline" BS! 🙂 It's been like trying to talk on a "pilot" thread with no/precious few actual Pilots present!



Holy Guacamole!!!

True that!, on the melt-down... either one of three things;


a) someone has a vicious two-day hangover... or

B) that Kubler-Ross psycho-babble may actually have some basis in reality... or

c) someone went to his accountant and the guy said something like: "You know how Fidelity has that green line that you follow? Just do this, this, and that, and you will be set for life as far as your retirement is concerned. Well you have just one year left, and you gave up HOW much money per year for the last five years in an attempt to stave off 'final and binding arbitration'? I'm sorry, Sir, there is nothing that we can do for you. Perhaps you could supplement your retirement with a part-time job at one of those 'fighter pilot for a day' schools or your local Walmart or something..." or

d) all of the above



Seriously though, I have two observations.

First, having spent significant time in the "belly of the beast"... namely the Flight Standards Dept, and having observed more than enough "difficulties" with the training and checking curriculum... it has been noted on more than one occasion, by more than one Check Airman, and interestingly, from both sides of this debacle; that, the "fighter pilot cadre" has experienced more than their fair share of difficulties with the instrument flying portion of the appendix F criteria. Thank God for AQP!!! We no longer have to weed out the weak ones. Also, don't put your hopes on CRM to save the day. I'll let you guess how Stan/Eval scored that one. Lot's of great individuals, but the "preferred candidate" is absolutely a commuter captain, who has demonstrated that he/she can fly six legs a day, in the soup, w/o an auto-pilot. 'Nuf said.

Second, I know a fair number of "bad dudes". These are the real deal "bad dudes". Men who have killed other men in a large variety of ways. I know a man who spent weeks at a time, deep in enemy territory, with only a spotter, a rifle and a few essentials, and returned to do it again and again. One shot, one kill. I know a man who hung out the side of a helicopter and killed a large number of human beings with a machine gun. I know a man who has dropped napalm on other humans. I know a man who has fired laser guided weapons on a variety of "targets", with the expected results. I met a man who shot down a MIG. The one thing that every single one of these true warriors had in common was that they did not originally tell me about their exploits. Someone else did. To a man, every authentic "bad dude" that I have ever met, has been reticent and extremely reluctant to share their experiences.

Know what I'm saying?


On a lighter note:

If you retire on LOA93, is that the civilian equivalent of a dis-honorable discharge? :blink: Oh, there's that smarmy smiley button...
 
Know what I'm saying?..

Indeed. That you're just another pathetic, westie chickenshit, pretend-"Pilot" that won't accept the wager...however cloaked in paragraphs of smarmy, with a touch of arrogant, and entirely unwarranted, self-indugence for flavoring. 🙂

Didn't much figure you for the type to take up any challenge anyway son. 😉...You're a true westie "spartan" and "hero" after all.
 
If you think I struck a nerve with this one, just be patient, there is more. The west had no retirement, until alpa gave it to them in the transition agreement via a DC contribution. Tune in alpa shill.
Wrong again.

But since you are not a pilot at US Airways you would not have access to the west contract.

The only thing you got right was that ALPA negotiated our contract but it had nothing to do with the merger or east pilots or the transition agreement.
 
What's the bet?

I've been very flexible Jake = 5-10K+, or as appropriate for the individual, or even just for fun. It's not about the money for me. You should well know that, given my stance on the nic BS these last five years. Terms of "victory" to be pre-set by the challenged person, by way of numer of aerial "engagements"....I honestly don't much know how much more generous I could get. Still...not so much as even ONE westie "Hero/Dire Wolf/whatever" seems up for it....all that's ever heard in response is completely childish BS.

Their own glorious Rep, Cactusboy, is equally aversive towards any meeting.....I think it must be a "West thing" 😉

I ask you seriously Jake = WHY should I have even the slightest respect left for these people? Better question = HOW can I even manage to have any respect for them?

Whatever our manifest differences...I never figured you for a complete wimp Jake. I'd guess that even you and I could mix it up for a "loser buys dinner"...yes...your ass would get kicked, ....but not these west "knights", "spartans", etc, it seems....They just run deep into the BS/Fantasyland region, whenever challenged....dunno if it's misplaced arrogance that doesn't wish/can't personally afford to be proved wrong...or just plain chickenshit virus throughout their "ranks"....All I can say is that I've honestly NEVER met people like these before...and that covers well more than half a century of dealing with fellow members of the human race... 🙂

You and I could likely work out the mutally agreeable details of any wager....but these westie punks just RUN, without even thinking otherwise! I've honestly NEVER before seen the likes of these people in my lifetime....It's like dealing with aliens from another world!...No sense of Honor...no evidence of any personal "pair"...just smarm...and ..well NOTHING! to determine them to even be PEOPLE, much less Pilots!
 
I've been very flexible Jake = 5-10K+, or as appropriate for the individual, or even just for fun. It's not about the money for me. You should well know that, given my stance on the nic BS these last five years isr.Terms of "victory" to be pre-set by the person, by way of numer of "engagements"....I honestly don't much know how much more generous I could get. Still...not so much as even one westie "Hero/Dire Wolf/whatever" seems up for it.
B.A.C. Pushing .20%. It's funny to watch an old alcoholic rage. Kinda like watching a really fat dude fall down. Don't know why, but its always funny!
 
B.A.C. Pushing .20%. It's funny to watch an old alcoholic rage. Kinda like watching a really fat dude fall down. Don't know why, but its always funny!

It's far more amusing to me to watch pathetic little pimples like yourself pop, scatter and run whenever challenged at any level whatsoever. 🙂 All you've ever got's a mouth little princess...you can't otherewise, ever back yourself up with anything. 🙂

On that note...so, finally; Who's the awesome westie "spartan", "knight" or generally "hero" who's up for a wager?.....Your very own "heroic" rep isn't, must be that such as Ames or others would jump on this chance!............................................................................................................................................................And the sound of crickets is deafening....Not you Metro...You're just a completely clueless kid and an "easy kill". I want to fly against a true westie "hero"... 😉 Hey Prechill...busy this month? 🙂 Cleardirect is a worthless, pitiful pussy, and would never come out for such...so?

Hey!...I know!...How about the "Supreme Commander" of the "Army of Leonidas" himself!?..Now He MUST be one badassed pilot!, or else the entire west contingent is full of complete morons for trusting his bad self.....OK...Just kidding. 😉 That pathetic little pimple wouldn't DARE come out to play....How about David Braid?..he looks ferocious indeed...? No?...Well ..perhaps the lisping, french hobbit/husband of the idiot at AFA west....no again?...well...ANY westie?...ANY at all? 😉 OK...I'm bored. Good night all.
 
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